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Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide

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Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #31 –
Was at the game. The silence in the crowd about 5 minutes in said it all. We unfortunately as Carlton faithful are used to this now, we expect it. It's bloody awful. The resigned groans and moans from our supporters is just sad to see and be apart of. Feck off Murphy - Frodo Baggins had more balls. Feck off SPS -the Tin man had more heart. Feck off Mitch Mcfatten - thought Daisy robbed us blind, this bloke has pulled off the heist of the century. Unfortunately the list goes on.  To many passengers who are there for a pay check and nothing more. Time to get off instagram and get your hands dirty lads. Otherwise our next month will get ugly.

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #32 –
Port was always going to win this game. Media, betting agencies, fans etc. who thought otherwise just aren't accepting reality.

The 4 goal barrier against better teams is a hurdle we can't seem to overcome just right now. R1 25 points, R2 21 points, R5 28 points.

Execution and skill errors are the real killers. I accept one could argue that by the 2nd half the damage was done, but in that 2nd half we won the territory, more I50's, more scoring shots, more tackles. It's not like the boys threw in the towel. Throughout the 2nd and 3rd we had 75 chains and kicked 4.11, Port had around 72 and kicked 10.1 - that's all from Teague's presser. Honestly, I don't think it's as bad as all that. Fix up the connection and we will be around the mark.

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #33 –
I said pre game unless Cripps plays a blinder we can’t is be coming less and less of an occurrence these days.
The thing is the midfield is still way to shallow to compete against the better teams without Cripps playing a major part. Hold him and we are done.

Cripps is a very one dimensional footballer. An A grade Inside footballer but his flaws hurt us as on the outside, defensively and forward he is liability if we are being honest. I can’t believe I’m saying this but maybe trading him for the players we need needs to be seriously considered. Same goes for SPS he will have currency - move him on if we can muster a good trade.

We have no outside breakaway run from the contest except from poor Walsh. Williams has been disappointing to this point and not worth the contract he is on. I still have hope for him but not the start I wanted from a guy on a massive contract.
There are many other issues I know with the rebuild but the selections SOS made for the midfield apart from walsh which was a no brainer are all flops.
Kennedy won’t make it neither will Williamson. Murphy surely has to retire. Doc was awful last night and did things you would be disappointed if it was from a first gamer.

Have to make some big changes in the off-season. Ditch the 2 captains rubbish and give it to Weitering with Walsh as the vice.

Fogerty, Walsh, Cottrell and Weitering can hold their head up - struggling to find any others who can but.

Still a bottom 4-6 team.

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #34 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
Port was always going to win this game. Media, betting agencies, fans etc. who thought otherwise just aren't accepting reality.

The 4 goal barrier against better teams is a hurdle we can't seem to overcome just right now. R1 25 points, R2 21 points, R5 28 points.

Execution and skill errors are the real killers. I accept one could argue that by the 2nd half the damage was done, but in that 2nd half we won the territory, more I50's, more scoring shots, more tackles. It's not like the boys threw in the towel. Throughout the 2nd and 3rd we had 75 chains and kicked 4.11, Port had around 72 and kicked 10.1 - that's all from Teague's presser. Honestly, I don't think it's as bad as all that. Fix up the connection and we will be around the mark.
Pauly that's all well and good, but we have heard this over and over and over and over after every "honourable" loss. Haven't seen the game as I was out, not going to bother as 4.11 to 10.1 says it all. I did however see Cripps miss from what seemed like not much further out from the top of the goal square, this is why he will never make it as a mid/fwd, can't kick to save himself. I  read someone else post that he tried to be the hero again by busting tackles instead of give it off. And then we complain he is banged up, it seems to be self inflicted.
But that's all ok, we probably "played our way" so its all good. Hand out the participation awards Teaguey.

I'm not one for Facebook footy pages but I was fwded this:

Imagine being a Carlton supporter.
Yeah sure, life has been tough in the past supporting teams like St. Kilda, Melbourne and Richmond, but I don't think anything could top the turmoil of cheering on the Navy Blues every week.
They've sacked a coach, recruited with an A+ mark, gone through the draft, yet they're about as hard as an after grog bog on a Sunday morning after a night on the rums.
Saad couldn't compose himself if Mozart was his mentor, Betts is two years past retirement, Williams is softer than a box of kittens, and McGovern couldn't get near a mark even if he was part of the Funky Bunch.
I sincerely hope Cripps goes to West Coast.

2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #35 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Pauly that's all well and good, but we have heard this over and over and over and over after every "honourable" loss. Haven't seen the game as I was out, not going to bother as 4.11 to 10.1 says it all. I did however see Cripps miss from what seemed like not much further out from the top of the goal square, this is why he will never make it as a mid/fwd, can't kick to save himself. I  read someone else post that he tried to be the hero again by busting tackles instead of give it off. And then we complain he is banged up, it seems to be self inflicted.
But that's all ok, we probably "played our way" so its all good. Hand out the participation awards Teaguey.

I'm not one for Facebook footy pages but I was fwded this:

Imagine being a Carlton supporter.
Yeah sure, life has been tough in the past supporting teams like St. Kilda, Melbourne and Richmond, but I don't think anything could top the turmoil of cheering on the Navy Blues every week.
They've sacked a coach, recruited with an A+ mark, gone through the draft, yet they're about as hard as an after grog bog on a Sunday morning after a night on the rums.
Saad couldn't compose himself if Mozart was his mentor, Betts is two years past retirement, Williams is softer than a box of kittens, and McGovern couldn't get near a mark even if he was part of the Funky Bunch.
I sincerely hope Cripps goes to West Coast.

Leaving aside the somewhat hysterical overuse of metaphor and simile, that person isn't even a Blues supporter. It's like Kane Cornes trying to write something after failing English 101.

At any rate, I know we've been waiting a long while, and we're just going to have to wait some more.
 

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #36 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
Port was always going to win this game. Media, betting agencies, fans etc. who thought otherwise just aren't accepting reality.

The 4 goal barrier against better teams is a hurdle we can't seem to overcome just right now. R1 25 points, R2 21 points, R5 28 points.

Execution and skill errors are the real killers. I accept one could argue that by the 2nd half the damage was done, but in that 2nd half we won the territory, more I50's, more scoring shots, more tackles. It's not like the boys threw in the towel. Throughout the 2nd and 3rd we had 75 chains and kicked 4.11, Port had around 72 and kicked 10.1 - that's all from Teague's presser. Honestly, I don't think it's as bad as all that. Fix up the connection and we will be around the mark.

It is as bad as all that Paul and it’s not just execution and skill errors, it’s also a lack of desire

All of Setterfield, Murphy & McGovern are playing for the cheque. McGovern is so frustrating, has the tools but will not go when it’s his turn. SPS’ desire is also a week by week proposition, but he is being played out of position.

Newnes, Kennedy, Plowman, Casboult all very average players.

Jones decision making under pressure is woeful

Dow, Williamson haven’t developed (the latter has actually regressed). And then you have the perennially injured club of Curnow, Marchbank & Kemp

And last but not least, Cripps’ has gone backwards and refuses to spread and his kicking is now embarrassing.

That’s a big chunk of the list

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #37 –
I've been on these forums for 15 years, and I learned long ago that it's most unwise to be the positive guy after a loss. Tends to ruin the mood lol.

I saw a team that gave enough effort and had enough scoring shots to make it a real contest. I also saw a team that makes some terrible decisions and needs to be a lot cleaner with the ball.

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #38 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
Leaving aside the somewhat hysterical overuse of metaphor and simile, that person isn't even a Blues supporter. It's like Kane Cornes trying to write something after failing English 101.

At any rate, I know we've been waiting a long while, and we're just going to have to wait some more.

"but I don't think anything could top the turmoil of cheering on the Navy Blues every week" was the thing that describes my feelings most weeks in recent years.

RE the challenge of PA, I would say to you there is no bigger challenge than playing Geel at Geel. The difference between the side that played and beat Geel last year and PA last night was:
Saad
Williams
Fogarty
Kennedy
Cottrell

replacing

Simmo
Setters
SOS
Cunners
Martin
I'd argue that first three 2021 recruits make us a lot better on paper. We missed SOS and Martin last night for sure, but why the difference in attitude across the board?
Then I looked at some stats, these were telling
Car               PA
23   Scoring Shots   21
39.1%   Conversion   71.4%
37.00   Disposals Per Goal   26.67
57   Inside 50s   48
We seem to toil away and bust a boiler for every scoring opportunity only to butcher it in front of goal.
Where have I seen that before? Hmmmm.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #39 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
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Then I looked at some stats, these were telling
Car               PA
23   Scoring Shots   21
39.1%   Conversion   71.4%
37.00   Disposals Per Goal   26.67
57   Inside 50s   48
We seem to toil away and bust a boiler for every scoring opportunity only to butcher it in front of goal.
Where have I seen that before? Hmmmm.

As I said earlier, it's like a stat sheet from a different game, but they don't lie. We have simply got to make better decisions and become cleaner with the ball. You can't compete with the better teams just with effort. But I'm not a fan of throwing the baby out with the bathwater. We need to build on what is there, and there is without question something we can build on. But in some fashion, those next steps have to come.

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #40 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
As I said earlier, it's like a stat sheet from a different game, but they don't lie. We have simply got to make better decisions and become cleaner with the ball. You can't compete with the better teams just with effort. But I'm not a fan of throwing the baby out with the bathwater. We need to build on what is there, and there is without question something we can build on. But in some fashion, those next steps have to come.

Agree. Are they training to rectify the deficiencies though? For example, we haven't had a problem getting it I50 for a few years now. We more often than not get more I50s than the opportunity, even when we get beaten badly. We have however butchered the ball in front of goal for years. So are they putting enough emphasis on goal kicking? And by that, I don't mean just repeated shots at goal, but using other techniques, methods, specialist coaches, deep analysis of set shots during games, heart rates etc. This is the single area that has cost us many games and yet it appears nothing has been done about it. These are where the next steps need to be taken.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #41 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
As I said earlier, it's like a stat sheet from a different game, but they don't lie. We have simply got to make better decisions and become cleaner with the ball. You can't compete with the better teams just with effort. But I'm not a fan of throwing the baby out with the bathwater. We need to build on what is there, and there is without question something we can build on. But in some fashion, those next steps have to come.

Agree that there is a foundation to build on

Unfortunately last night highlighted what happens when you combine a handful of players that don’t have the right ability with another bunch that don’t give the right effort.

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #42 –
When a team sees its leaders making mistakes and, in one or two cases giving away goals or missing easy shots, then confidence gets shattered and mistakes escalate. That's one factor, a big one imo, in last night's performance and it has no doubt set us back again. We will no doubt be working to try harder next week but I'm afraid the bagatelle is going to continue until this is resolved however which way. Teams know our weak spots and go straight for them.
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #43 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Agree. Are they training to rectify the deficiencies though? For example, we haven't had a problem getting it I50 for a few years now. We more often than not get more I50s than the opportunity, even when we get beaten badly. We have however butchered the ball in front of goal for years. So are they putting enough emphasis on goal kicking? And by that, I don't mean just repeated shots at goal, but using other techniques, methods, specialist coaches, deep analysis of set shots during games, heart rates etc. This is the single area that has cost us many games and yet it appears nothing has been done about it. These are where the next steps need to be taken.

I'm not sure about goal kicking training, but Teague said they are training decision making and execution. He said in games both time and space are taken away from you, and they try and train with that intensity, but you need balance, because if they train constantly like a real match, the players will be cooked before the ball is bounced.

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #44 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
I've been on these forums for 15 years, and I learned long ago that it's most unwise to be the positive guy after a loss. Tends to ruin the mood lol.

I saw a team that gave enough effort and had enough scoring shots to make it a real contest. I also saw a team that makes some terrible decisions and needs to be a lot cleaner with the ball.
Scoreboard flattered us Paul, they had two players down and just dropped a gear in the last quarter.
re Comments on  Williams... Good player but not a true mid, can't get much over 20 possies a game. His possies are generally good but like Martin doesn't get enough ball like the real specialist mids.
We bought a classy half back but only a handy part time mid.