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Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #90 –
Quote from: jeza – on
I don't think our forward line functioned very well (obviously) - seriously missed Jack. McGovern is a poor replacement at this stage.

But their back line was able to put our forwards under pressure. Ours was not. Our back line is a joke.

Teague deserves quite a lot of criticism- as does the selection committee. Too many moves just haven't worked. Picking Williamson was a disaster. Samo at half back just has not worked. Cunningham sitting in the 2s is just ridiculous. We need Newman back desperately and we need to play Jack Martin at half back or Jack Silvagni or Cunningham or Stocker. The guys we've got are not up to it... And it is frustratingly obvious yet Teague keeps fronting up with the same sh1ttruck defence getting the same sh1tty result every time we get under scoreboard pressure.

Doesn't matter who we pick, unless there is a real "want", it'll be like shuffling the deck chairs on the Titanic.

I've half given up for now. We'll see some great performances, then when we are pumped the most we'll see disappointment. We might even make the 8 (may well not either) but that's the very best we'll do for years until the culture improves, attitudes change and we turn up motivated to play for the jumper win in, week out. Who we put out on the park will mean nothing until then.

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #91 –
SPP, Butters, Duursma and Bonner would be in their best 22 but are not as vital as the likes of Charlie Curnow , Martin and TDK for us.
Think Newman has been a loss, bit more steady and reliable than Williamson who is making the easy look difficult.
I have probably given Marchbank away and we really need another KP Forward on the list to cover for Charlie...
Losing McDonald has also been really unlucky, we just cant get our best 22 on the park and always lose the players who we have poor or no backup for...our luck has to turn soon.

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #92 –
We play footy like we have a safe workplace policy and the opposition know it, even their kids playing their second game beat us up knowing nobody fights back!

Another big question I have, why don't we shepherd for team-mates? Other than one decent one from Pittonet in the centre, I can't recall any effective shepherds at all! We are too easy to play against, opponents run around freely against us.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #93 –
Quote from: LP – on
We play footy like we have a safe workplace policy and the opposition know it, even their kids playing their second game beat us up knowing nobody fights back!

Another big question I have, why don't we shepherd for team-mates? Other than one decent one from Pittonet in the centre, I can't recall any effective shepherds at all! We are too easy to play against, opponents run around freely against us.
Bit easier to be a kid with Port, never seen Bergman before but he was impressive, good size and kicks the ball well.
Agree on the Shepherds, blocks etc, apart from Ed Curnow we dont have many who consistently do that stuff week in week out.

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #94 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Bit easier to be a kid with Port, never seen Bergman before but he was impressive, good size and kicks the ball well.
Agree on the Shepherds, blocks etc, apart from Ed Curnow we dont have many who consistently do that stuff week in week out.
The problem is Ed, and also Jones, undo their otherwise good work with 3rd rate disposals. Ed was just bombing the ball forward at every opportunity last night not even a glance at a target, Jones slammed the footy onto his boot multiples times directly to an opponents 20m or 30m forward of where he'd intercepted.

I realise they weren't alone last night, but they are recidivists.

I realise what Jones does defensively with his marking is elite, but it only brakes the opposition momentum, he contributes nothing to our own momentum, in fact he can destroy our own momentum with a bad kick. Just like Cripps, just like Doc, and when those older heads and leaders do it then it becomes contagious!

As much as AFL coaches want defence first, you also have to score to win, and we are our own worst enemy in that regard. Opposition aren't good against us, they don't have to be, they just have to be patient and we will give it back 10 out of 10!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #95 –
On a slightly more philosophical note, I particularly feel for those supporters under about 35 years of age. You were encouraged by the 90s then subjected to abject failure, bar a couple of blips. By the time I was 35 I'd seen us win 7 premierships and can rest on those memories... and have needed to in the past 20 years.

Sorry to say it, but this modern CFC looks very little like the one of only 2 decades ago. Yes, times change, but attitude, desperation, expectation of excellence, mongrel, persistence, proper coaching and so on... do not change with time. If this modern CFC was a colour, it'd be beige. Perhaps that should be our new moniker... the Mighty Beiges? I've felt my interest wane this year and simply not looked forward to the w/e. Once our move (moving back closer to Melb) is complete I do look forward to going to Magoo matches, relaxed atmosphere, River Rat delivering well timed witticisms and of course, hot pies.

It's almost as if the heart of the CFC was removed in 2002 and we've been playing on without it ever since.

However, I will commend our off-field efforts. To erase debt, get Membership over 80,000 is Herculean - sincere congrats to all concerned. Our marketing / Pr / media dept is 2nd to none, they do an excellent job - had me salivating for the start of this year, but, really, it only took two games to see nothing had changed re on-field.

Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #96 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
My ladder prediction for this season was 9th-11th, and I have seen little that would change my mind. As long as the effort is there and we can get some semblance of our best 22 on the park, the wins will come IMO.
I don't have us making the 8 and we will be similar to last year.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership
 

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #97 –
Quote from: Baggers – on
On a slightly more philosophical note, I particularly feel for those supporters under about 35 years of age. You were encouraged by the 90s then subjected to abject failure, bar a couple of blips. By the time I was 35 I'd seen us win 7 premierships and can rest on those memories... and have needed to in the past 20 years.

Sorry to say it, but this modern CFC looks very little like the one of only 2 decades ago. Yes, times change, but attitude, desperation, expectation of excellence, mongrel, persistence, proper coaching and so on... do not change with time. If this modern CFC was a colour, it'd be beige. Perhaps that should be our new moniker... the Mighty Beiges? I've felt my interest wane this year and simply not looked forward to the w/e. Once our move (moving back closer to Melb) is complete I do look forward to going to Magoo matches, relaxed atmosphere, River Rat delivering well timed witticisms and of course, hot pies.

It's almost as if the heart of the CFC was removed in 2002 and we've been playing on without it ever since.

However, I will commend our off-field efforts. To erase debt, get Membership over 80,000 is Herculean - sincere congrats to all concerned. Our marketing / Pr / media dept is 2nd to none, they do an excellent job - had me salivating for the start of this year, but, really, it only took two games to see nothing had changed re on-field.


My son is 18 and has been a member ever since he was 2 weeks old but last night he said, "Dad, I have given up and I've transferred to F1 permanently."
He now has no interest in footy and doesn't want to be a member anymore.
As his old man I feel gutted but don't blame him, ever since he can remember we have been a basket case.

Does the Club ever read our comments on here? Do they realise and understand the effect of their heartless performances have?
Reading the comment on here the common theme is lack of heart, desire, mongrel and playing for the pay cheque.

Watching footage of the 80's and 90's all Carlton players had two feet to choose from to kick with and ALL played and put their head over the ball.
Watching our players run around now it's like watching U18's play, flashes of brilliance but sooo many unforced errors and zero game plan.
2025... Moir of the same to come

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #98 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
I don't have us making the 8 and we will be similar to last year.

Agree apart from will North and GC it’s hard to be confident we are ‘clearly’ better then the next group of teams like freo pies saints hawks etc.

Miles off where we should be and wouldn’t be surprised if we don’t improve on last years position as there is vast improvements in teams I thought we would jump in Sydney Melb Adelaide dogs etc.

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #99 –
Quote from: Baggers – on
On a slightly more philosophical note, I particularly feel for those supporters under about 35 years of age. You were encouraged by the 90s then subjected to abject failure, bar a couple of blips. By the time I was 35 I'd seen us win 7 premierships and can rest on those memories... and have needed to in the past 20 years.

Sorry to say it, but this modern CFC looks very little like the one of only 2 decades ago. Yes, times change, but attitude, desperation, expectation of excellence, mongrel, persistence, proper coaching and so on... do not change with time. If this modern CFC was a colour, it'd be beige. Perhaps that should be our new moniker... the Mighty Beiges? I've felt my interest wane this year and simply not looked forward to the w/e. Once our move (moving back closer to Melb) is complete I do look forward to going to Magoo matches, relaxed atmosphere, River Rat delivering well timed witticisms and of course, hot pies.

It's almost as if the heart of the CFC was removed in 2002 and we've been playing on without it ever since.

However, I will commend our off-field efforts. To erase debt, get Membership over 80,000 is Herculean - sincere congrats to all concerned. Our marketing / Pr / media dept is 2nd to none, they do an excellent job - had me salivating for the start of this year, but, really, it only took two games to see nothing had changed re on-field.

Certainly right with all that.

I saw 8 flags by the time I was 37, so i've seen my share of success. Saw us go from crap in 1964 to when Barassi and George Harris came the next year and rebuilt the club. Younger ones though have seen nothing but 5hit.

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #100 –
Quote from: shawny – on
Agree apart from will North and GC it’s hard to be confident we are ‘clearly’ better then the next group of teams like freo pies saints hawks etc.

Miles off where we should be and wouldn’t be surprised if we don’t improve on last years position as there is vast improvements in teams I thought we would jump in Sydney Melb Adelaide dogs etc.

We win some of them, including big ones, lose others, including 5hit ones, depending how we turn up on the day. Could win 8 or 9, could win 12. We have the poor attitude to win the former amount and the ability to win the later. Who knows with Carlton how that will turn out. Like last year, lose to Melbourne with poor skills, poor attitude, next week beat Geelong at Geelong with a good attitude and sublime skills for 3 qtrs. That's what we will see again. We can beat anyone, we can lose to anyone. Too often it's the latter.

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #101 –
Always have to find some positives, Levi made further progress this week, and when Levi plays well it makes Pittonet lift as well.

I thought McGovern wasn't bad from very limited and poor quality opportunities. A couple of times McGovern had done over his opponent only to have BigH fork it up by bringing his defender over the top, ................ again!

Weitering confirmed he is the man!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #102 –
If fans want to know why I'm on the back of Jones, go the stat site and look at the meters gained figures, it's even worse for SPS.

https://www.afl.com.au/matches/3018#player-stats

If he is going to lay the intercept role, he needs to play like Dangerflog, and just boot the pill long and high 65m forward. High and long because he can't hit a barn and we need time for our forwards and mids to get to the drop of the pill.

I think it is a huge tactical mistake kicking the ball low and fast forward, we are too slow so we are second to the pill. Watch the replay, you see heaps of our guys kicking the ball around the corner low and fast, they should be hitting it 50m in the air and giving Cripps, Ed, Kennedy, Levi and Pittonet, etc., etc., at least some time chance to get to the drop of the ball.

I watched the game with some others, and someone said to be did you see what Dixon did to Doc, Dixon got all pointy(Knees and elbows) and smashed Doc who'd dropped in front of the marking contest. They asked is he allowed to do that and not touch the footy? My reply was we shouldn't be shocked at that, we should be shocked that we don't reciprocate!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #103 –
Quote from: Baggers – on
On a slightly more philosophical note, I particularly feel for those supporters under about 35 years of age. You were encouraged by the 90s then subjected to abject failure, bar a couple of blips. By the time I was 35 I'd seen us win 7 premierships and can rest on those memories... and have needed to in the past 20 years. ]Hmm. I'm of the same vintage. And yes for those supporters that have not seen much success I can feel for, however I'm getting older and the stress heartache and general thinking this is the year we will see some improvement is going to blow my mind probably sooner than later.

Sorry to say it, but this modern CFC looks very little like the one of only 2 decades ago. Yes, times change, but attitude, desperation, expectation of excellence, mongrel, persistence, proper coaching and so on... do not change with time. If this modern CFC was a colour, it'd be beige. Perhaps that should be our new moniker... the Mighty Beiges? I've felt my interest wane this year and simply not looked forward to the w/e. Once our move (moving back closer to Melb) is complete I do look forward to going to Magoo matches, relaxed atmosphere, River Rat delivering well timed witticisms and of course, hot pies. More like the brown kaka.

It's almost as if the heart of the CFC was removed in 2002 and we've been playing on without it ever since.

However, I will commend our off-field efforts. To erase debt, get Membership over 80,000 is Herculean - sincere congrats to all concerned. Our marketing / Pr / media dept is 2nd to none, they do an excellent job - had me salivating for the start of this year, but, really, it only took two games to see nothing had changed re on-field. Here Here thank god.

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #104 –
It was another disappointing effort. Do we practice kicking the ball? We miss targets, we miss shots on goal, our kicks lack penetration and distance, we take the wrong option and we don't kick to the advantage of our team mates. The teaming and skills of the Port players far exceeded those of our own players. Pittonet knocks the ball over the back, Gibbons runs onto the ball and into an empty F50, but what is the plan. Does he kick it to Harry, does he go all the way or does someone run into the F50 and takes the ball short. He kicks to the top of the square, 20 meters from Harry who is now behind two Port players and the ball then sweeps down the other end. There is no coherence in the Carlton play. Every play seems to be a discrete action where the ball carrier makes a decision and if the ball gets to the next Carlton player, that player then makes a decision that may or may not have any relevance to the previous decision. We don't get a consistent chain of play. Everything is reactive whether we have the ball or not. Saad is a perfect example of this. We get it to him, but what is the next play. Do the players down the ground know what he is going to do, are team mates running beside him to draw fire and give him options. What is the plan?
In Teague's press conference he referred to players not executing under pressure. I think he is wrong. I think the problem is not doing the simple things well. Missing goals from 25 meters dead in front. It doesn't matter if it is Harry, Cripps or Casboult, supporters do not have the confidence in the capability of the players to kick the easy goal. Cripps kicks that goal in the second quarter and it is a different game. We stop butchering the ball and it is a different game.
People seem to be ranting about defence but I think it is our forwards which are the problem. We do not kick enough goals. Murphy, Casboult, Gibbons, Silvagni, Foggerty, Cuninngham, Kennedy have never kicked five goals in a match for Carlton, it has also been a long time since Betts has done it and Harry has done it once. Having Charlie in the side would make a difference. When the forwards are kicking goals, the backline functions a lot better because your opponents have to defend and cannot be as free wheeling in their attacks.
Fix our goal kicking, fix our disposal and develop more team cohesion and things will improve. Also instead of talking about how important Carlton Members are to the team, actually show it by putting in better efforts than what was dished up last night.