Carlton Supporters Club

With all due respect Pauly, your (or my) holistic view or expectation on finals counts for very little, Cain "fast Eddy" Liddle's does however as decisions will be based on his not ours. Ill also add that your (or my) expectations are not mirrored by a very very (that's two verys) large portion of the Carlton faithful and the media.

The angst is probably due to the repetition in our losses.. 5 goal bursts from the opposition, same opposition players burning us ie Rich and poor defensive and contesting in those vital minutes. What has really changed or improved from the last season or two?.. Some supporters now want to cling onto honourable losses for comfort but can't confront reality...thats bottom team thinking.

I don't see progress, I look at Melbourne, Swans, Dogs etc and I see progress.
We look the same, nothing is changing, even the pattern of our losses.
How many wins would we have had with Melbourne's draw? ..

Only thing that's changed is competitiveness. Rather than the last of competitiveness, 100pt losses, 9% winning record in the last 50 games, we've only lost by over 5 goals twice and at 45% under Teague. By the far the 2nd best record of a coach this century. Stops there though. Other than that nothing has changed. We still don't want work hard enough, lack a win to win, and can't get motivated on a consistent basis. Bad culture hasn't budged. The results under Teague tells  me the players are good enough to be competitive with anyone but don't want to do the hard work required to go from a 18-20 point loser to actually win. They seems happy just being competitive and collect the pay cheque. That changed can only be player driven.

We need to shift through the playing list, work out which players simply don't have the hunger to succeed, regardless of ability, and phase them out of the club. Keep the workers almost regardless of ability. I assume Murphy, Eddie and Levi will call it quits this year. Right now we recruit players, perfectly good attitudes, decent skills then the culture "Carltonises" them. That culture, drive, will to win, lack of real motivation is the difference between us being a mere competitor and a good side. Until that changes we go no-where. Look as any sport, soon as a competitor loses that hunger their performance falls away dramatically. Boxing is a good example. Same in my sport.

Melb Goodwin since 2016
WB Beveridge since 2015
Syd Longmire sinde 2011
All have had some lows

Again, at the ground (I was at the Coventry end level 2 in a pocket),

I think most folks would agree with PAULY, that we're 'not far off'... it's just that we've been 'not far off' for 'too fckn long!' That's probably what frustrates most folks.......................

Had some lows and some highs.. Name our highs..

We sat on level 2 at the other end and I’ve never been surrounded by such a revolting group of Carlton supporters - there were maybe 5-6
Small Pockets of abusive, revolting Carlton supporters. It was embarrassing. Had my child with me and was really downhearted to see how horrible our supporters can be. Every club has them but there seemed to be a real bogan unwashed element last night - lots of abusive swearing down at the players.  Not sure if this was a section of general admission Carlton members as previously we’ve had reserved seating so maybe they get another area at the moment?

Really felt ashamed last night. Lots of Middle Aged guys need to get themselves to therapy as their screaming and swearing in front of kids for 2 hours is not healthy.

Interesting comment by Matthew Lloyd regarding Eddie Betts on the footy show.
Basically saying that time is probably up for Eddie.

That wasn't so much the issue as the fact that Lloyd prefaced it with the comment "I may be getting into dangerous territory here....".
Given his brother's role at the club is there some difference of opinion over issues surrounding selection.

One of the problems with looking at 'what might have beens' though is that you can't look at in the isolation of only our team.
You have to look at the other sides near misses and 'stuff ups' as well.
You then also have to factor the change to the game that might have occurred if the ball went back to the centre rather than being kicked out.
It s a Butterfly effect.

And importantly if a side is pressed by a team coming at them, rather than having a comfortable margin, do they lift their game to meet, and see off,that challenge.
Port last week seemed to do only as much as they had to for us to be kept at bay.

We sat on level 2 at the other end and I’ve never been surrounded by such a revolting group of Carlton supporters - there were maybe 5-6
Small Pockets of abusive, revolting Carlton supporters. It was embarrassing. Had my child with me and was really downhearted to see how horrible our supporters can be. Every club has them but there seemed to be a real bogan unwashed element last night - lots of abusive swearing down at the players.  Not sure if this was a section of general admission Carlton members as previously we’ve had reserved seating so maybe they get another area at the moment?

Really felt ashamed last night. Lots of Middle Aged guys need to get themselves to therapy as their screaming and swearing in front of kids for 2 hours is not healthy.

I was level 2 as well behind the goals and didn't hear anything like that.