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Re: Post Game passion: AFL 2021 Rd 6: Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #105
We lack a hard edge in many players, it's not thuggery but that ability to lift and dig deeper much like a marathon runner who can't get themselves to the finish line.
Walsh has it, Lachie Neale chased and pressured on one leg, Robbo cracked in with an eyeball hanging out but a lot of our players won't give that bit extra when the pressure goes up. Gut run till you drop, run back cover for your mate... Robbo on Harry summed it up for me.
Call it culture or pride but not many of ours will bleed for the club..

And Harry tapped him and said sorry when he saw the damage to Robbos eye. I said to my daughter at the time that is a soft too nice approach. The best teams would not have that mindset to feel 'bad' for the opposition no matter what.

I hated Clarkson when he flooded back to prevent Fev from kicking that last goal to get his ton but in hindsight while i still hate the bloke he is a winner, he is a ruthless coach who feels no empathy for the opposition no matter what the situation is.  Its in his blood.   He knew we would look to Fev at all costs in the last to get him the goal he needed so even though the game was done he still knew he had to counter our plan which then prevented Fev from getting the goal he needed. Hes a pr1ck i know but its also part of the culture that lead to 4 flags.

If our current team was Hawthorn that day we would have kicked it to Fev to hand him the ton and then would have gone up and congratulated him. Same as chairing Gibbs off after losing - its the wrong culture the wrong look and any serious successful culture would not be part of that look.

    

Re: Post Game passion: AFL 2021 Rd 6: Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #106
I was level 2 as well behind the goals and didn't hear anything like that.
Carlton cheer squad end, level 2 Aisle 26. 

Re: Post Game passion: AFL 2021 Rd 6: Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #107
Have had similar experiences to Mickey0, had to tell one guy last week to stop swearing, later the security came and spoke to him. It wasn't me who called them but they really should have kicked him out. Yesterday I asked a guy to stop his moaning during the putrid second quarter. Another supporter said he was saying what everyone else was thinking and someone has got to make the team listen. First off they can't hear us in the outer and secondly, going on and on about the sides performance just makes a depressing situation even more depressing. If you are not enjoying your football experience, don't come, in a lot of ways these people are just being selfish. Finally, while we all have the right to free speech, we also have the right to remain silent, and just because you want to talk it doesn't mean I want to listen, so in my opinion, people should make there comments and move on and not keep going over the same ground.
It was the same old story, inability to hit targets, poor decision making and bad kicking for goal. Our last two goals by Murphy and McGovern came about from good foot skills and good finishing. Where was that in the first 120 minutes of the game? I liked the Docherty and SPS, along with Murphy, Cuningham and others starting up in the middle of the ground. I thought it allowed for more players to get into the game and made us a lot less stagnant, unfortunately we lost too many one on one in our D50 and we were smashed when the ball hit the ground in our F50. I was happy that Cripps was hand passing more but he just needs to get better at that and more players need to be running past when he does get it so we can start getting waves of players going forward.
The second quarter was so bad it overshadows what was reasonable to good efforts in the other three quarters. If Cripps had kicked the goal, then the ball would not have been swept down to the Brisbane goal and it would have been a six to three quarter, while this would be bad it is not disastrous. Finally I am not sure we can carry Betts and Murphy in our front half at the same time.

Re: Post Game passion: AFL 2021 Rd 6: Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #108
Have had similar experiences to Mickey0, had to tell one guy last week to stop swearing, later the security came and spoke to him. It wasn't me who called them but they really should have kicked him out. Yesterday I asked a guy to stop his moaning during the putrid second quarter. Another supporter said he was saying what everyone else was thinking and someone has got to make the team listen. First off they can't hear us in the outer and secondly, going on and on about the sides performance just makes a depressing situation even more depressing. If you are not enjoying your football experience, don't come, in a lot of ways these people are just being selfish. Finally, while we all have the right to free speech, we also have the right to remain silent, and just because you want to talk it doesn't mean I want to listen, so in my opinion, people should make there comments and move on and not keep going over the same ground.
It was the same old story, inability to hit targets, poor decision making and bad kicking for goal. Our last two goals by Murphy and McGovern came about from good foot skills and good finishing. Where was that in the first 120 minutes of the game? I liked the Docherty and SPS, along with Murphy, Cuningham and others starting up in the middle of the ground. I thought it allowed for more players to get into the game and made us a lot less stagnant, unfortunately we lost too many one on one in our D50 and we were smashed when the ball hit the ground in our F50. I was happy that Cripps was hand passing more but he just needs to get better at that and more players need to be running past when he does get it so we can start getting waves of players going forward.
The second quarter was so bad it overshadows what was reasonable to good efforts in the other three quarters. If Cripps had kicked the goal, then the ball would not have been swept down to the Brisbane goal and it would have been a six to three quarter, while this would be bad it is not disastrous. Finally I am not sure we can carry Betts and Murphy in our front half at the same time.
Great post.
RE Cripps, yes handball and handball quickly to runners. He attracts a crowd so we must have blokes who are free, capitalise.
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Re: Post Game passion: AFL 2021 Rd 6: Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #109
sorry guys same old story when the opposition lifts a gear we go missing it all depends in which Q it comes. Slow ball movement from defense is another problem (plow,Doc,sps) . Afraid once again nothing has changed from previous years.

Re: Post Game passion: AFL 2021 Rd 6: Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #110
I'm not supporting poor behaviour at the footy, but don't think you understand that this club means a huge,  huge amount to some suppourters and some of those supporters have had enough after 20 plus years of  irrelevance... And when you're got the same spin meisters in charge who refuse to listen to the common man who coughs up his $500 or so each year to get nothing but bitter disappointment, yes I get it.   Then we have a hopeless MC with a questionable selection policy,  the same old players making the same old mistakes and skill errors.... Yes,  I can see people going to the footy and getting more than a touch exasperated and swearing.   I mean look at yesterday.... Nobody on Rich,  Betts getting what, two kicks,  Levi invisible,  Williams' $800 K shank, inconsistent umpiring,  Murphy's inability to apply pressure.... Yes,  some swearing is inevitable.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: Post Game passion: AFL 2021 Rd 6: Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #111
I'm not supporting poor behaviour at the footy, but don't think you understand that this club means a huge,  huge amount to some suppourters and some of those supporters have had enough after 20 plus years of  irrelevance... And when you're got the same spin meisters in charge who refuse to listen to the common man who coughs up his $500 or so each year to get nothing but bitter disappointment, yes I get it.   Then we have a hopeless MC with a questionable selection policy,  the same old players making the same old mistakes and skill errors.... Yes,  I can see people going to the footy and getting more than a touch exasperated and swearing.   I mean look at yesterday.... Nobody on Rich,  Betts getting what, two kicks,  Levi invisible,  Williams' $800 K shank, inconsistent umpiring,  Murphy's inability to apply pressure.... Yes,  some swearing is inevitable.

Eddie got at least 4 kicks as he got 4 points. We even "carltonised" Eddie into being a 5hit at goal. At Adelaide that'd have been 4 goals.


 

Re: Post Game passion: AFL 2021 Rd 6: Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #112
I'm not supporting poor behaviour at the footy, but don't think you understand that this club means a huge,  huge amount to some suppourters and some of those supporters have had enough after 20 plus years of  irrelevance... And when you're got the same spin meisters in charge who refuse to listen to the common man who coughs up his $500 or so each year to get nothing but bitter disappointment, yes I get it.   Then we have a hopeless MC with a questionable selection policy,  the same old players making the same old mistakes and skill errors.... Yes,  I can see people going to the footy and getting more than a touch exasperated and swearing.   I mean look at yesterday.... Nobody on Rich,  Betts getting what, two kicks,  Levi invisible,  Williams' $800 K shank, inconsistent umpiring,  Murphy's inability to apply pressure.... Yes,  some swearing is inevitable.
Absolutely no problem with the odd f bomb and the frustration and I’m a paid up member of decades and my kids have been since birth too, but to be swearing constantly out loud at the umpires, the goal umpire, our players - which then turns into a fight amongst supporters - really makes a glum viewing when we’re losing, 10x worse!

Along with that was constant swearing and yelling out at Robbo and Joe Daniher ? Bizarre.

Consideration to others, I get the frustration but this behaviour was next level.


Re: Post Game passion: AFL 2021 Rd 6: Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #114
The odds are in our favour that on one day our forwards will all kick accurately and we will win a match.  We'll be very happy and then reality will set in the following week.

The fact is we have problems with our list. We can't depend on TDK and Charlie being long term players.  TDK has been injured a number of times and mystery surrounds his present injury.  He may turn out to have a long term future or be another Marchbank. The club has provided no information on his progress since 14 April when it was said he was 1 or 2 weeks away.

Similarly Charlie's long term future is an unknown.

Right now we need another ruckman.  At best Pitt breaks even and our mids are not capable of playing to a losing ruck.

We need two additional mids, preferably with a bit of bulk, to give some depth to our midfield.

Finally, we desperately need a decent centre half forward to give stability to our underperforming forwards.

If we don't try to fill the positions at the draft we will continue to be an " almost good enough side".




 

Re: Post Game passion: AFL 2021 Rd 6: Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #115
Absolutely no problem with the odd f bomb and the frustration and I’m a paid up member of decades and my kids have been since birth too, but to be swearing constantly out loud at the umpires, the goal umpire, our players - which then turns into a fight amongst supporters - really makes a glum viewing when we’re losing, 10x worse!

Along with that was constant swearing and yelling out at Robbo and Joe Daniher ? Bizarre.

Consideration to others, I get the frustration but this behaviour was next level.

Generally agree. I think supporters need a little context and need to behave like adults. It's a game of football, nothing more and nothing less. I get the emotional attachment, but a ticket for a game or a membership doesn't come with the right to abuse at will. If you think the club doesn't deserve your money, then don't give them any.

Re: Post Game passion: AFL 2021 Rd 6: Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #116
In my post I meant 24 March with regard to TDK

Re: Post Game passion: AFL 2021 Rd 6: Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #117

[/quote]Maybe you were one of them or that behaviour is acceptable to you. I’ve gone to every Carlton home game give or take for the past two decades and it’s never been as feral as it was last night.

Re: Post Game passion: AFL 2021 Rd 6: Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #118
Maybe you were one of them or that behaviour is acceptable to you. I’ve gone to every Carlton home game give or take for the past two decades and it’s never been as feral as it was last night.


I was with my wife and 2 young kids. Just asked my wife and she said she did hear one large Carlton supporter in the next aisle call our own player a soft c#$% sucker. I must have been in the toilet.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: Post Game passion: AFL 2021 Rd 6: Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #119
I'm not supporting poor behaviour at the footy, but don't think you understand that this club means a huge,  huge amount to some suppourters and some of those supporters have had enough after 20 plus years of  irrelevance... And when you're got the same spin meisters in charge who refuse to listen to the common man who coughs up his $500 or so each year to get nothing but bitter disappointment, yes I get it.   Then we have a hopeless MC with a questionable selection policy,  the same old players making the same old mistakes and skill errors.... Yes,  I can see people going to the footy and getting more than a touch exasperated and swearing.   I mean look at yesterday.... Nobody on Rich,  Betts getting what, two kicks,  Levi invisible,  Williams' $800 K shank, inconsistent umpiring,  Murphy's inability to apply pressure.... Yes,  some swearing is inevitable.
I agree with most of what you say but swearing and carrying on like a pork chop at the footy in front of ladies and kids in unacceptable, period. One must control oneself and behave in public, no need to become the lowest common denominator.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership