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Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 7: Carlton vs the Drug Cheats

Reply #150 –
A Readers Digest version of the Carlton Supporters Club. Nothing new, nothing useful. Just regurgitating what the fans want to hear.

What the hell are we supposed to make of trash like this :

"Because as much as this club breaks our hearts, we love it and that’s why we get so angry at times and lash out."

Exactly the same argument used by wife abusers.

Rubbish journalism.

Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 7: Carlton vs the Drug Cheats

Reply #151 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Not sure Teague is going to want to experiment and tinker with a smaller lineup given his job is on the line.
The reality is the next three weeks are going to be crucial for the team and his career and I just dont see him messing with too many kids or cute positional changes unless ordered to....


It just might save his career to make some changes!

Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 7: Carlton vs the Drug Cheats

Reply #152 –
Quote from: Macca37 – on
The MC may be wrong but it has been in no hurry to give extended playing time to the players you have mentioned.

No they haven't unfortunately. No 'feel' for the game and a lack of footy nous and imagination IMO.

Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 7: Carlton vs the Drug Cheats

Reply #153 –
I'm not sure Teague can be saved by his own actions, I have strong suspicions our problems run deeper and the culprits(maybe too strong) those contributing to the problem are escaping scrutiny.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 7: Carlton vs the Drug Cheats

Reply #154 –
Quote from: Pratty – on
It just might save his career to make some changes!
I think vs Nth, Freo, GC, Crows you could experiment a bit more and still get away with a win, vs Ess, Dogs, Dees I think you
would be pushing your luck introducing too many young kids.

Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 7: Carlton vs the Drug Cheats

Reply #155 –
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMI8KjlcTmw

I could not agree more with Ross and others in this segment... especially re Newnes.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 7: Carlton vs the Drug Cheats

Reply #156 –
Quote from: Baggers – on
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMI8KjlcTmw

I could not agree more with Ross and others in this segment... especially re Newnes.
Notice what Ross Lyon said about Stocker, four good VFL games as a Mid, then they play him as a lock down defender.

This is an MC issue, and it's a player development issue, in my opinion it's very ordinary team and list management, and it sort of exposes what the coaching staff think about the kids they've picked up.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 7: Carlton vs the Drug Cheats

Reply #157 –
Quote from: Baggers – on
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMI8KjlcTmw

I could not agree more with Ross and others in this segment... especially re Newnes.

Disagree on Newnes.
Lob should take his position. Lob was given the chance to take his position and failed. He was given game time in the preseason and in the regular season and TBH I didn't even see enough to keep him on the list beyond this year. He isn't even playing well in the 2s.

So Newnes gets the gig because nobody is deserving of it otherwise.

If/when we start getting some more younger kids fit and in form then we might see philp, honey, Ramsay, Carroll and whoever else earning a gig....then we might send Newnes to the 2s....but until then, he continues to deliver an afl standard performance every week and deserves his spot.

Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 7: Carlton vs the Drug Cheats

Reply #158 –
Quote from: Baggers – on
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMI8KjlcTmw

I could not agree more with Ross and others in this segment... especially re Newnes.
Think Newnes has done his job and been hard done by, he was a delisted free agent, wouldnt be on that much and
been fairly consistent. Has played mainly on the wing but was used down back last week as well and thats probably a reflection on others not doing their job. Sad part of it he is regarded by the playing group as one of the more more physical players on the list and valued for that...if Newnes is seen as more physical then it doesnt say much for the rest of the group.
Spotlight shouldnt be on a cheap delisted free agent who is there to be an accessory holding up an end,it should be on some of the key players on big money not doing their job and some of these highly rated kids with plenty of hype surrounding them but little substance at this stage.
Obrien and Cuningham have done sweet FA for the last 24 months and Dow and SPS havent been much better.
You can probably add Williamson in that group too although I have cut him some slack given his injuries..
Murphy and Betts are being carried and we have focus on Newnes who has least contributed?

Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 7: Carlton vs the Drug Cheats

Reply #159 –
Quote from: LP – on
Notice what Ross Lyon said about Stocker, four good VFL games as a Mid, then they play him as a lock down defender.

This is and MC issue, and it's a player development issue, in my opinion it's very ordinary team and list management, and it sort of exposes what the coaching staff think about the kids they've picked up.

It’s all so obvious

Our MC must hear the fans, watch the news, but then almost inexplicably, they then deliberately heap more pressure on their already tenuous positions by thumbing their nose at the mob and sticking fat with Murphy Betts and Newnes. Keep doing it and they all deserve to go!
 

Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 7: Carlton vs the Drug Cheats

Reply #160 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
A Readers Digest version of the Carlton Supporters Club. Nothing new, nothing useful. Just regurgitating what the fans want to hear.

What the hell are we supposed to make of trash like this :

"Because as much as this club breaks our hearts, we love it and that’s why we get so angry at times and lash out."

Exactly the same argument used by wife abusers.

Rubbish journalism.

The problem is Paul, if I sat down to write out exactly how I feel at the moment I'd write something pretty similar.
But that's just a personal feeling captured in this moment in time.

Likening some passions to  'wife abusing' is a bit of a long bow.
Supporters come in all shapes and forms, from the passive to the aggressive.
I'm not very demonstrative at games...but the passion is no less there.
You might see that hateful, destructive level of angst amongst a few folk at the very extreme....but it's a very small group.

Most of the criticism expressed by fans isn't to exert dominance, to control or to physically and mentally hurt.
It's born of a desire to see the club experience success.
It's things they regard as helping rather than hurting.
While many abusers may also see their behaviour as "helping" we can easily see a difference.
With supporters many of the ideas are arguably constructive...try this, try that, replace the old, play the youth
You were right in saying it's a reflection of the views of many on CSC but probably wrong in saying it's what the fans want to hear.
We don't want too hear it...but it's what many (not all of course) are feeling.

Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 7: Carlton vs the Drug Cheats

Reply #161 –
Quote from: Lods – on
The problem is Paul, if I sat down to write out exactly how I feel at the moment I'd write something pretty similar.
But that's just a personal feeling captured in this moment in time.

Likening some passions to  'wife abusing' is a bit of a long bow.
Supporters come in all shapes and forms, from the passive to the aggressive.
I'm not very demonstrative at games...but the passion is no less there.
You might see that hateful, destructive level of angst amongst a few folk at the very extreme....but it's a very small group.

Most of the criticism expressed by fans isn't to exert dominance, to control or to physically and mentally hurt.
It's born of a desire to see the club experience success.
It's things they regard as helping rather than hurting.
While many abusers may also see their behaviour as "helping" we can easily see a difference.
With supporters many of the ideas are arguably constructive...try this, try that, replace the old, play the youth
You were right in saying it's a reflection of the views of many on CSC but probably wrong in saying it's what the fans want to hear.
We don't want too hear it...but it's what many (not all of course) are feeling.

Sorry, but when you see fans lash out, and abuse players for being soft, lazy, not earning their pay, being lifestyle footy players, not playing for the jumper, stealing the fans money etc. that's hurtful, and abusive. You won't find too many who would go up to Marc Murphy and call him soft to his face.

I expect better from so called journalists. If I want to read what fans think, I come here. That's what this site is for. In the days before journalism went down the loo, you could read and hear something that added to your knowledge, something you didn't know before. It seems as thought those days are past.

Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 7: Carlton vs the Drug Cheats

Reply #162 –
Totally agree re Newnes. He cost us nothing...he wasn't and never will be an A-Grader. But last year he was a consistent performer and regularly hit the scoreboard which not many of our other midfielders do. Until the guys like Setterfield, LOB, Dow, Cunningham can play at a reasonable level on a consistent basis, then guys like Newnes will get selected.

Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 7: Carlton vs the Drug Cheats

Reply #163 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
A Readers Digest version of the Carlton Supporters Club. Nothing new, nothing useful. Just regurgitating what the fans want to hear.

What the hell are we supposed to make of trash like this :

"Because as much as this club breaks our hearts, we love it and that’s why we get so angry at times and lash out."

Exactly the same argument used by wife abusers.

Rubbish journalism.
I have to say I find your comment strange Pauly. I often feel exactly that with the CFC, whilst I try to not get angry per se over sport, I can get pretty scathing on the keyboard with the club because of my love for it. I dont abuse my wife, I idolise all the women in my life and find violence  towards man, woman or child abhorrent. The CFC does test my patience way more than my wife and kids.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 7: Carlton vs the Drug Cheats

Reply #164 –
We keep drafting Mids, and play them on a flank or the wing because they are behind Cripps or Walsh in the pecking order, then when our ruck gets injured we've no spares and the extra Mids rot in the VFL!

That is not good List Management and very poor MC.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"