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Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 7: Carlton vs the Drug Cheats

Reply #165 –
Quote from: LP – on
Notice what Ross Lyon said about Stocker, four good VFL games as a Mid, then they play him as a lock down defender.

This is an MC issue, and it's a player development issue, in my opinion it's very ordinary team and list management, and it sort of exposes what the coaching staff think about the kids they've picked up.

Except its not true - Stocker had been playing off half back in the 2s (not lock-down, more sweeper, but still HBF).....  then again, who expects these guys to actually do any research?

Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 7: Carlton vs the Drug Cheats

Reply #166 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
I have to say I find your comment strange Pauly. I often feel exactly that with the CFC, whilst I try to not get angry per se over sport, I can get pretty scathing on the keyboard with the club because of my love for it. I dont abuse my wife, I idolise all the women in my life and find violence  towards man, woman or child abhorrent. The CFC does test my patience way more than my wife and kids.
I have to say, if you take an overview perspective you find that there is significant contradiction between the messages offered by our coaches, MC and players, versus the messaging from our Club Executive.

I feel this is what generates a lot of anguish, but only because too many trust our Club Executive. Treat what the Club publishes as spin, question a lot if not all of it, look for your own evidence, and a lot of the anguish goes away!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 7: Carlton vs the Drug Cheats

Reply #167 –
Quote from: Milhanna13 – on
Except its not true - Stocker had been playing off half back in the 2s (not lock-down, more sweeper, but still HBF).....  then again, who expects these guys to actually do any research?
Sweeper is a midfield role that starts from the defensive side of the square.  I suppose the 6-6-6 starting positions cloud this, but the tell is what the players do immediately after the bounce.

It won't be long under this 6-6-6 rule that you see a midfield player basically non-compete. That is they will be in the square 20m away from the centre circle, and just step out as the ball is bounced. Perhaps to even surrender the first possession and force a HB turnover as a tactic. Under 6-6-6 the traditional starting positions are somewhat potentially redundant to new tactics. A good example is that at many games now the wings are starting almost 50m apart, yet they are still "wings" by name.

Those four in the centre square for the bounces, who is to say one or two can't immediately run to the wing after the initial contest, and the wings head on ball. It's an area of specialisation in our game that is sort of half-professional and needs tidying up.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 7: Carlton vs the Drug Cheats

Reply #168 –
Quote from: LP – on
I have to say, if you take an overview perspective you find that there is significant contradiction between the messages offered by our coaches, MC and players, versus the messaging from our Club Executive.

I feel this is what generates a lot of anguish, but only because too many trust our Club Executive. Treat what the Club publishes as spin, question a lot if not all of it, look for your own evidence, and a lot of the anguish goes away!
Agree but, and there is always a but, I think the gist of that gets people angry most of the time is the repetitiveness of the losses. We manage long negative streaks like 30 point turn arounds. These are things that are occurring of a period of weeks, we are talking months and years. THATS what pissus me off the most.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 7: Carlton vs the Drug Cheats

Reply #169 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Think Newnes has done his job and been hard done by, he was a delisted free agent, wouldnt be on that much and
been fairly consistent. Has played mainly on the wing but was used down back last week as well and thats probably a reflection on others not doing their job. Sad part of it he is regarded by the playing group as one of the more more physical players on the list and valued for that...if Newnes is seen as more physical then it doesnt say much for the rest of the group.
Spotlight shouldnt be on a cheap delisted free agent who is there to be an accessory holding up an end,it should be on some of the key players on big money not doing their job and some of these highly rated kids with plenty of hype surrounding them but little substance at this stage.
Obrien and Cuningham have done sweet FA for the last 24 months and Dow and SPS havent been much better.
You can probably add Williamson in that group too although I have cut him some slack given his injuries..
Murphy and Betts are being carried and we have focus on Newnes who has least contributed?

Agreed 100%, easy target..... lazy journalism

Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 7: Carlton vs the Drug Cheats

Reply #170 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
Sorry, but when you see fans lash out, and abuse players for being soft, lazy, not earning their pay, being lifestyle footy players, not playing for the jumper, stealing the fans money etc. that's hurtful, and abusive. You won't find too many who would go up to Marc Murphy and call him soft to his face.

I expect better from so called journalists. If I want to read what fans think, I come here. That's what this site is for. In the days before journalism went down the loo, you could read and hear something that added to your knowledge, something you didn't know before. It seems as thought those days are past.
He's not a football journalist, he's a political and Economics editor of the AFR describing life as a Carlton supporter over his time. Nothing more. Think we all feel the same. Last place I'd expect to find such an article actually is the Australian Financial Review.

Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 7: Carlton vs the Drug Cheats

Reply #171 –
Quote from: Milhanna13 – on
Agreed 100%, easy target..... lazy journalism
Teague said in his presser today that if there are two players performing at the same level vying for the same position, he will always play the kid or younger of the two. He was referring to Eddie being played and whether he was comfortable telling him time up. Teague said he is, so is Eddie, as soon as someone else "puts their hand up", they are in.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 7: Carlton vs the Drug Cheats

Reply #172 –
Quote from: LP – on
We keep drafting Mids, and play them on a flank or the wing because they are behind Cripps or Walsh in the pecking order, then when our ruck gets injured we've no spares and the extra Mids rot in the VFL!

That is not good List Management and very poor MC.
Agree...we like to turn mids into defenders and have taken ages to figure out we needed a specialist half back like Saad as well.
Now we have some calling for Williams to be returned to the half backline where he made his name with GWS and end that experiment. That could allow either Stocker or Setterfield to return to the middle where they have more expertise.
No KP defenders in the VFL either or KP Forwards...we had to get OMac as a supp to play as a swingman and have the VFL listed Crocker( a mid/flanker) by trade playing FF...we booted MaCreadie, BSOS and Kerr in recent times and replaced them with nothing all while having Marchbank and Curnow as long term injury prospects.
Jack Hayes is a KP player from the SANFL I would look at as a supp/rookie player....

Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 7: Carlton vs the Drug Cheats

Reply #173 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Agree...we like to turn mids into defenders and have taken ages to figure out we needed a specialist half back like Saad as well.
Now we have some calling for Williams to be returned to the half backline where he made his name with GWS and end that experiment. That could allow either Stocker or Setterfield to return to the middle where they have more expertise.
No KP defenders in the VFL either or KP Forwards...we had to get OMac as a supp to play as a swingman and have the VFL listed Crocker( a mid/flanker) by trade playing FF...we booted MaCreadie, BSOS and Kerr in recent times and replaced them with nothing all while having Marchbank and Curnow as long term injury prospects.
Jack Hayes is a KP player from the SANFL I would look at as a supp/rookie player....
Well, I think BSoS was probably justified, his name doesn't influence me.

I feel for Macreadie and Kerr, yet they haven't been picked up so that is a tell.

We seem to continually break players down, then when we get them rebuilt they've lost something rather than gaining anything.

I can understand why Fraser got the chop, he didn't fit in, he actually looked like he knew what he was doing and got results!

I can't help but think our club's priority is worksafe and profit by cost cutting over results.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 7: Carlton vs the Drug Cheats

Reply #174 –
Teague also said Jack S is in contention this week, needs to get through training today, same with Parks. TDK and Newman will play reserves.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 7: Carlton vs the Drug Cheats

Reply #175 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Teague also said Jack S is in contention this week, needs to get through training today, same with Parks. TDK and Newman will play reserves.
Fans should not be expecting too much immediately from TDK or Newman, they have played jack shi1zen under the current rules!

Although I think the new rules suit TDK, they work in his favour, but he'll be some way off match fitness.

I'm not sure the new frenzied play on style suits Newman, he was a little light on for pace prior to the current faster game style trend. But he'll make life tougher for opposition KPPs.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 7: Carlton vs the Drug Cheats

Reply #176 –
Quote from: LP – on
Well, I think BSoS was probably justified, his name doesn't influence me.

I feel for Macreadie and Kerr, yet they haven't been picked up so that is a tell.
I dont have a problem booting players and my point is more we needed to replace like for like in terms of positions played to keep that balance on the list. Boot BSOS by all means if thats what people want but get a replacement who plays the same role.
Boot Kerr if you think he cant make it but dont replace him with midfielders and then have to recruit the 185cm Ben Crocker as a VFL player to get a target up forward in the VFL team.

Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 7: Carlton vs the Drug Cheats

Reply #179 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Agree...we like to turn mids into defenders and have taken ages to figure out we needed a specialist half back like Saad as well.
Now we have some calling for Williams to be returned to the half backline where he made his name with GWS and end that experiment. That could allow either Stocker or Setterfield to return to the middle where they have more expertise.
No KP defenders in the VFL either or KP Forwards...we had to get OMac as a supp to play as a swingman and have the VFL listed Crocker( a mid/flanker) by trade playing FF...we booted MaCreadie, BSOS and Kerr in recent times and replaced them with nothing all while having Marchbank and Curnow as long term injury prospects.
Jack Hayes is a KP player from the SANFL I would look at as a supp/rookie player....
Kerr was unlucky to be booted. Could play but lost his spot due to having too many of the same type. He'd would certainly be useful now. Was a smart player who read the play, led well and could take a mark.