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Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 8: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #196 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
You blokes are easily please with Cuners calling his game decent.

Keeping standards high is a daily challenge.  ;D

I thought he did ok. He is starting to show more than just glimpses IMO, and what he offers, we sorely lack. He has played 3,8,5,9,12 and 3 games over 6 seasons, so his senior experience is not only limited, it's also been interrupted and intermittent. He is silk when he's up and about, and beautiful to watch. He could be one of those players coaches always talk about that don't have many possessions, but every one of those possessions really counts. Of course, up till now, the body of work is thin, but I hope he smashes it.

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 8: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #197 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
How many players played better?
Oh so its relative to others? Is that how we rate players these days? Ill just STFU then and give it away. Make him captain then.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 8: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #198 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Oh so its relative to others? Is that how we rate players these days? Ill just STFU then and give it away. Make him captain then.

Well it is, kinda. Players have to be dropped and if there were no players better than him, then its fair to say his performance was not good enough.
If however, his performance was better than the captain, the (almost) million dollar man and quite a few others, then i think it shows something that 'the cameo king' is elevating his levels despite those around him lowering theirs.

Or....if you just want to bag players because ti makes you feel good, be my guest. May i recommend Pittonet? Or perhaps Newnes? They seem to be flavour of the month despite performing to a higher level than they are given credit for.

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 8: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #199 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
You know who else got 2 possessions in the last quarter.....Captain Cripps.
For a guy who is captain, that is CLEARLY not good enough.

The whole team was crape in the last, using that to justify your argument (if it is indeed based on stats or just your opinion) doesn't make him look bad, it makes him look like the rest of the team.
Why not
He played crap and went missing when it counted
How many credits does Cripps have in the bank

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 8: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #200 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
You blokes are easily please with Cunners calling his game decent.
I'm not sold on DC, far from it, but in terms of what he can do well he is a superior player to many we have on the list. His skills are good, it's all about effort over 4 quarters where he let's himself down more often than not. He isn't physical or a tackling machine but is that outside runner, distributor that every team needs.
This year is make or break for him and he needs to establish himself or he will be traded/delisted. I'm prepared to have an open mind on him for now and see some hope after his last couple of games..

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 8: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #201 –
I found the umpiring bewildering at times.
It seemed like we were playing to one interpretation and the doggies to another…
Let’s go BIG !

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 8: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #202 –
We got murdered in the middle

23-7 Centre Clearances

Libba 9, Bont 5,
Pittonet 4, Cripps 2, Walsh 1.

Our backline held up well considering the amount of ball coming in.

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 8: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #203 –
Quote from: Shakin77 – on
We got murdered in the middle

23-7 Centre Clearances

Libba 9, Bont 5,
Pittonet 4, Cripps 2, Walsh 1.

Our backline held up well considering the amount of ball coming in.


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Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 8: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #204 –
Quote from: Shakin77 – on
We got murdered in the middle

23-7 Centre Clearances

Libba 9, Bont 5,
Pittonet 4, Cripps 2, Walsh 1.

Our backline held up well considering the amount of ball coming in.

Wait, you're telling me Pittonet had more clearances than Batman and Robin combined! I keep hearing he was the problem though....
 O:-)

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 8: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #205 –
Rhylee West anyone?.....his father ex Dog champ Scott paid out on Luke Beveridge in a social media rant for dropping his son
after only one game back and 5x top games in the twos so I'd say thats about him done at the Dogs at seasons end.

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 8: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #206 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
I'm not sold on DC, far from it, but in terms of what he can do well he is a superior player to many we have on the list. His skills are good, it's all about effort over 4 quarters where he let's himself down more often than not. He isn't physical or a tackling machine but is that outside runner, distributor that every team needs.
This year is make or break for him and he needs to establish himself or he will be traded/delisted. I'm prepared to have an open mind on him for now and see some hope after his last couple of games..
He has the skills, just doesn't do it often enough for long enough. Change that and he can be superb player for us. Thats not was I was debating however.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 8: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #207 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Wait, you're telling me Pittonet had more clearances than Batman and Robin combined! I keep hearing he was the problem though....
 O:-)

The problem is that Pittonet's clearances are kicks off the ground or blind kicks/handpasses in the general direction of our forward line.  His ruckwork is poor and generally ends up with an opposition clearance.  It's really worth watching how De Koning in the VFL (and even Casboult) is able to direct his hitouts so that a midfielder gets a decent opportunity to drive the ball forward.  I don't know how "hitouts to advantage" is defined but most of Pittonet's taps don't result in us getting a clearance.

The other problem with Pittonet is that he is not taking marks around the ground and, when he "helps out" in defence, it often ends up with him blocking Jones or Weitering.  He certainly tries hard, but there's a reason why he only played seven games in four seasons with the Hawks.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 8: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #208 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
He has the skills, just doesn't do it often enough for long enough. Change that and he can be superb player for us. Thats not was I was debating however.
DC had 12 possies @83% DE...with 9 scoring Involvements, 4 tackles... Fogarty had 13 possies@53% DE, 7 scoring involvements with one tackle...now we all like what Fogarty has done since coming to the club and the point I was trying to make is that while DC didnt have a great game it wasnt too bad given he rarely backs up a good game with another the following week and he was effective with what he did do, not enough for sure but he wasnt our worst either.
 

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 8: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #209 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
DC had 12 possies @83% DE...with 9 scoring Involvements, 4 tackles... Fogarty had 13 possies@53% DE, 7 scoring involvements with one tackle...now we all like what Fogarty has done since coming to the club and the point I was trying to make is that while DC didnt have a great game it wasnt too bad given he rarely backs up a good game with another the following week and he was effective with what he did do, not enough for sure but he wasnt our worst either.
I was trying to make the same point, that it wasnt a GREAT game.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership