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Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 11: Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #90 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Nah they've just owned us for so long, form means nothing. We are Carlton.
Anything is possible.

Even if we end up 9-13 like you predict.
That a win % of 41%.
Last year we had a win % of....yep....41%.
With the injuries we've had this year, you'd just about take that.

....and that is IF we don't win anymore than you predict.

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 11: Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #91 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Anything is possible.

Even if we end up 9-13 like you predict.
That a win % of 41%.
Last year we had a win % of....yep....41%.
With the injuries we've had this year, you'd just about take that.

....and that is IF we don't win anymore than you predict.
Its what I expected, however not what the Richmond F-wit and his cohorts expected.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 11: Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #92 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Its what I expected, however not what the Richmond F-wit and his cohorts expected.
lol.....that gets me every time.

Do me a favour....flick the tv over to one of those TV home shopping stations. Watch it for 5 minutes and tell me if you believe everything they are saying too. Let me know. ;)

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 11: Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #93 –
Quote from: sydneybluesfan – on
Just back from the game - a few things stood out.

- We have periods where we looked very good - but we never look like we can sustain it or really make the opposition pay when we have the ascendancy
- We are [still] an incredibly predictably dumb team. We make so many basic errors when we have the ball it is embarrassing to watch. Teams know you just put pressure on us, we panic and turn the ball over, and then we get taken apart on the rebound.
- Our lack of organisation and inability to control the ball killed us. The swans defence feasted on our turnovers, especially at half forward to launch probably 75% of their scoring. Their defence is very well drilled and organised, and other than H we caused them no problems. Gibbons, Owies and Silvagni are honest triers, but they aren’t going to win you games against good defenders. Throw in Eddie and Fog and it really is a major worry.
- When the crunch time came mid way thru the 3rd we simply wilted physically and mentally [again]. We looked like we had no idea, no spark, no mongrel, no hunger to win. We are incredibly meek and every opposition knows it. We never looked like we had the desire or skill to match them when they went up a notch. They dominated the last 30 minutes of that game and never looked like losing, they outnumbered us and they were running way harder and were more precise with the ball in the last when the game was there to be won
- Cripps had one of his better games but his skill errors and turnovers are just killers
- The coaching & conditioning group have got a lot to answer for. It just the same stuff week after week and we don’t have any real system to our play when you compare us to a well drilled team like Sydney.

I have the chance to do it all again next week against the WCE. My 11yo son is still to see them actually win a game live so here’s hoping.

This is our reality.

Too many players lacking the football skills to play at AFL level pressure.

Too many players lacking the mental toughness to see out a full game.  Conservatively, over a full game, we are currently giving up approximately twenty minutes free time to the opposition to kick multiple goals.

Will I be satisfied if we win another 3 or 4 games?  No way.

I will be satisfied when we get the list we were promised 6 years ago, one that is ready and willing to make a real challenge for a place in the 8.

At the moment we supporters grasp on to any scrap of good play in a desperate attempt to remain positive.

As I've said before: this is what a failed rebuild looks like.


Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 11: Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #94 –
Quote from: Macca37 – on
This is our reality.

Too many players lacking the football skills to play at AFL level pressure.

Too many players lacking the mental toughness to see out a full game.  Conservatively, over a full game, we are currently giving up approximately twenty minutes free time to the opposition to kick multiple goals.

Will I be satisfied if we win another 3 or 4 games?  No way.

I will be satisfied when we get the list we were promised 6 years ago, one that is ready and willing to make a real challenge for a place in the 8.

At the moment we supporters grasp on to any scrap of good play in a desperate attempt to remain positive.

As I've said before: this is what a failed rebuild looks like.



Its what we do when we don't have the ball that's the biggest problem. We apply SFA pressure and they do what they want.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 11: Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #95 –
FWIW, I recall a lot of fans on here being upset because the "Experts" pre-season picked us to finished  on average about 12th or 13th. I thought we could do a little better, maybe finish just outside the 8 but I think I formally picked 9th to 12th in our pre-season survey, always hoping for better though! In my opinion that can still happen so I'm not surprised where we sit right now. I recall some pre-season posts here on the forum were disparaged because a few stated if we won 4 or 5 out of the first 11 we were doing OK, and here we are 4 out of 11!

There is no point carrying on about how badly we are travelling, because outside of blind Carlton faith and hope most had us about where we sit right now.

We are missing a few pieces of the puzzle, some luck and an injury free run being two critical aspects, plus I think we need 50 games in players like De Koning, Fogarty, Philp and Owies.

On top of those not in the team, watching at the weekend I think we have Casboult, Williams, Cripps, Harry, Saad and Newman all playing with injuries that hinder their game style and limit their endurance and mobility. It's one thing to go into games a bit sore, another to have your performance impacted by an injury.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 11: Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #96 –
Quote from: sydneybluesfan – on
Gibbons, Owies and Silvagni are honest triers, but they aren’t going to win you games against good defenders. Throw in Eddie and Fog and it really is a major worry.
I disagree, I don't think the medium smalls are the problem at all.

Yesterday both Owies and Silvagni should have received obvious frees 20m out dead in front, Owies was slung tackled at the top of the goal square right in front of the umpire, you see the umpire in the video looking straight at them as the camera angle is over the umpires shoulder. The same thing happened to Silvagni earlier in the game, that is a costly 2 goal swing. You don't get it as loud feedback from the commentary team because Ling and Bennett hate us.

Betts is great in a certain scenario, but you can't create that many of those scenarios per game, so we need another avenue. I thought at times last weekend we could have had Williams or Martin push more into deep F50, they are the type that can score in heavy traffic.

Several times yesterday we had players with goal eyes on, BigH at least twice could have swivelled the head and looked left or right to see a team-mate in the open 25m out dead in front but tried to take opponents on and got tackled near the square. Fogarty and Gibbons did similar at least once each.

Gibbons injury is an interesting one because he was probably overdue for a rest anyway, but we might be thin on the ground for replacements.

All those guys play better when McGovern is in the F50 alongside Betts, because unlike BigH, McGovern and Betts do the sacrificial things to bring other players into the game. The kids we have there at the moment get the goals in their eyes and are blinded to the available options.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 11: Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #97 –
There was one standout coaching error that cost us big time.   When De Koning went into the ruck halfway through the third, we got back in the game just when it seemed it was all going south.  His tapwork is so much better than Pittonet, and he kicked a big goal to boot.

So who plays in the ruck for the first 15 minutes of the last - Pittonet!  4 straight centre clearances to the Swans and game over.  By the time De Koning got back on the ball, the Swans only had to play keepings off.

Our coaches seem to have no plan other than stick to Plan A.  no wonder we can't stop teams when they get a run-on.

Another season wasted, and to see what Essendon are doing with a list of nobodys makes it even more galling.

This is now the longest premiership drought in the history of the Carlton Football Club - more evidence of climate change?

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 11: Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #98 –
Teague is just too late in initiating change .... or instructing players on what is expected and enforcing it.  Slow as treacle.

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 11: Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #99 –
Quote from: tonyo – on
There was one standout coaching error that cost us big time.   When De Koning went into the ruck halfway through the third, we got back in the game just when it seemed it was all going south.  His tapwork is so much better than Pittonet, and he kicked a big goal to boot.

So who plays in the ruck for the first 15 minutes of the last - Pittonet!  4 straight centre clearances to the Swans and game over.  By the time De Koning got back on the ball, the Swans only had to play keepings off.

Our coaches seem to have no plan other than stick to Plan A.  no wonder we can't stop teams when they get a run-on.

Another season wasted, and to see what Essendon are doing with a list of nobodys makes it even more galling.


From the HS on our last qtr:

 On Sunday, it was the final quarter. The margin at three-quarter time was three points. In the final quarter, the Blues were belted around the footy -12 contested possessions and -8 in ground balls. It allowed Sydney to control the game. The Swans took 41 marks for the quarter, and to put that in context they took 67 in the other three quarters. As a result, Carlton’s pressure was just 155, their fourth-lowest rating in a quarter this year. Simply, they weren’t tough enough for long enough yet again.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 11: Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #100 –
What can you say that hasn't been said before. Winners win because they win, losers lose because they lose. We don't play with passion. There is ability and skill to burn, but who really wants to win. I would be playing Dow, SPS, O'Brien and Kennedy next week and in a decent run of games, in place of Owies, Cottrell, Gibbons and Casboult, not for any other reason than that they were high draft picks and they have got to pi$$ or get off the pot. It is time to see what they can actually do. Murphy has five or six games to his 300th, but once there, it is time to say goodbye. And the question is whether Eddie is going to win us a Premiership. We can't go back, we have to go forward.

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 11: Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #102 –
Quote from: Macca37 – on
This is our reality.

Too many players lacking the football skills to play at AFL level pressure.

Too many players lacking the mental toughness to see out a full game.  Conservatively, over a full game, we are currently giving up approximately twenty minutes free time to the opposition to kick multiple goals.

Will I be satisfied if we win another 3 or 4 games?  No way.

I will be satisfied when we get the list we were promised 6 years ago, one that is ready and willing to make a real challenge for a place in the 8.

At the moment we supporters grasp on to any scrap of good play in a desperate attempt to remain positive.

As I've said before: this is what a failed rebuild looks like.

Think it is too hard to do such a big rebuild. Too many spots to cover given draft picking can be a flukey exercise. It's been a reasonable rebuild but still too many holes. We are too competitive for it to be a failed rebuild. Much of the issues are mental more than physical. We can dominate good sides, often for 85% of the game, then have a 15 min lapse that screws everything.

We need the willingness to defend alot more when things do go our way. It's the way Teague wants it too given the mighty spray at half time against Hawthorn on the issue. We showed we could defend well after that. Players just don't have the drive, hunger, motivation to want to do it consistently and that's what kills. Problem is we need to dominate for 90% of a game just to have a chance. 

Those opposition run-ons happened in both the men's and women's games, who did it near every game during their season, so what is pervading through the club.

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 11: Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #103 –
PP....he's got history for the head high stuff. I thought at the time it was a dangerous one.

Once again we let a perfect opportunity slip. Could've won that game and set ourselves up perfectly for a shot at an undermanned WCE this weekend and be perched just outside the 8 leading into the bye. But not to be. Pretty much different game, same result. Too much left to too few. Glaringly obvious that we have one of the shallowest midfields in the competition....Cripps, Walsh, Curnow and then not much else...after all these years of drafting young midfielders. Again, terrible foot skills when the game was on the line....how is it possible in this day and age that we can have such poor kicking efficiency in games? Do we not practice that sort of basic sh#t at training? And just dumb footy at times during games....Docherty might've been finding some reasonable form but some of his brain fades have killed us week after week.

The SCG is a tiny ground but at times it looked like they had 25 blokes out there they had so much space. As someone else pointed out, we can look pretty good when we've got the ball but when the opposition have it, we are terrible and teams just pick us apart at ease.

I love the way Saad plays...he gets it and runs with it and is usually very efficient when he kicks it. But as a pure defender, he's not that good. If he was matched up on Heeney, as it looked, that was a terrible move and it proved to be the difference. I'll get howled down but I think we actually missed Plowman in that game.

Teague seems bereft of any plan B in the coaching box....at least that's how it looks. It might be you could argue lack of personnel but it's getting frustrating as a fan and a viewer when the camera goes to him and he's sitting there with a blank expression on his face and seemingly no emotion. He doesn't have to smash a hole in the wall or destroy a phone, but give us something.

We are a Jekyll and Hyde team.....blistering to watch at some points but absolutely f#cking hopeless at other times....unfortunately it's the latter for more of the time.

Hard to see what changes we can make from here on in? Hope that Charlie gets fit enough to play again this year.....hope that McGovern gets fit and finds form....hope that with a few more games under their belt, TDK and Martin, Williams etc get better.....hope like hell that Walsh, Cripps, Harry or Weitering don't get injured.....or just hope that some of the younger guys in the VFL team do enough to warrant a game and then show some form when they do get a chance? That's a lot of "fingers crossed".

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 11: Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #104 –
Franklin has a habit of turning his shoulder blade into somebody's face, like using that part of his back exonerates him from a bump charge.

Is that what he did?
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"