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Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 11: Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #120
We are around the half way mark.
After four pre-season months of " the best we have ever trained", and "we can't wait to get out there", and "we are as determined and close knit a group as this club has ever seen", and all the other associated excrement that Teague has foisted upon us at every press conference, we still lack skills, 120 minute concentration, and players and coaches who have the ability to win us a flag.

To anyone on this site who believes other than the above, I have got a block of ice in Antarctica that I would like to sell you.

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 11: Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #121
Kingy was on Richmonds bandwagon every early in 2017 I recall, one of the very few in the media who was at the time.
He is up to date with modern trends and looks at things that nobody else cares too.

When given time, he is very good.

My only issue is when he has to come up with vision to prove a point from something that just happened and it can be a bit hit and miss.......but thats the way the TV industry is.

As i said, he doesn't always get it right 100% of the time, but nobody does. He spots trends that people don't notice until weeks, months and years later though.

 

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 11: Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #122
Across a few forums I notice fans raging on Pittonet, as you know I'm not his biggest fan and want De Koning accelerated as quickly as possible, but it's a bit unfair on Pittonet this week as I thought he was OK.

Further Pittonet was really done over in the umpiring, particularly by Umpire 17 whoever that is! Sinclair jumped into Pittonet multiple times using his spikes up high with his leg out into Pittonet's gut, and when Pittonet shoved out his arm to defend against it the umpire penalised Pittonet for blocking, it was bullcrap call and it happened more than once. At one bounce the ball came down almost on Sinclair's head and he stuck out a leg to stop Pittonet, and yet Pittonet was penalised for blocking!

We had a lot of talls out there at the weekend, they all at times looked confused and were getting in each others way, this didn't help Pittonet, De Koning or Casboult! But I thought the use of Casboult in D50 allowed Jones and Weitering to go about their work, so it partially worked, probably where it fell down was Casboult is only playing at 80% and not clunking marks.
I agree with you on Pittonet. He's got the ability, but he needs to direct his hit outs, when he gets one, a hell of a lot better than he does. The biggest thing, I reckon in his favour, is that he's only 24 and ruckmen usually start playing their best footy at 26 plus.

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 11: Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #123

Maybe we are worse.  In the eyes of many, we are.  Why?  Failure at the trade table.  Failure in basic training.  Failure in line management.  Failure in tolerating below par performances.      

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 11: Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #124
I agree with you on Pittonet. He's got the ability, but he needs to direct his hit outs, when he gets one, a hell of a lot better than he does. The biggest thing, I reckon in his favour, is that he's only 24 and ruckmen usually start playing their best footy at 26 plus.
I dont understand the Pitto hate this week, I thought our two ruckmen beat their two ruckmen easily. It was after the tap/hitout where our problems began.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 11: Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #125
I dont understand the Pitto hate this week, I thought our two ruckmen beat their two ruckmen easily. It was after the tap/hitout where our problems began.
I thought it was break even....it was really our two vs Sinclair who I thought did well in the last quarter when they needed him.
Was a bit disappointed we didnt dominate more given their backup was Mclean who is a KP Forward who just does a Casboult in the ruck and not as good. With Hickey out we should have done a lot better IMHO...

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 11: Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #126
I thought it was break even....it was really our two vs Sinclair who I thought did well in the last quarter when they needed him.
Was a bit disappointed we didnt dominate more given their backup was Mclean who is a KP Forward who just does a Casboult in the ruck and not as good. With Hickey out we should have done a lot better IMHO...

Time for my weekly hitout report??

Pittonet had 31 hitouts from 58 contests - He won 53.4% of contests he was in.
He had 8 hitouts to advantage meaning 25.8% of his hitouts went to advantage.
My stat - hitout to advantage from ruck contest % - 13.8%

DeKoning had 13 hitouts from his 28 contests - He won 46.4% of contests he was in.
He had 6 hitouts to advantage meaning 46.2% of his hitouts went to advantage.
My stat - hitout to advantage from ruck contest % - 21.4%

Sinclair had 24 hitouts from 68 contests - He won 35.3% of contests he was in.
He had 5 hitouts to advantage meaning 20.8% of his hitouts went to advantage.
My stat - hitout to advantage from ruck contest % - 7.3%

McLean had 6 hitouts from 16 contests - He won 37.5% of contests he was in.
He had 1 hitout to advantage meaning 16.7% of his hitouts went to advantage.
My stat - hitout to advantage from ruck contest % - 6.2%

As far as ruck craft goes.....we dominated the ruck.

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 11: Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #127
Most of the Heeney highlights saw Saad as his opponent... height and body advantage there.
So was Newman supposed to be his opponent?

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 11: Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #128
Maybe we are worse.  In the eyes of many, we are.  Why?  Failure at the trade table.  Failure in basic training.  Failure in line management.  Failure in tolerating below par performances.      
Whilst another loss where we were in it up to our teeth until 3/4 time is difficult to cop (again), I have to agree with Krudd that we are not that bad.
Couple of points (not picking on players by the way):
- Docs fumbles which cost 2 goals, tidy that up and those 2 goals dont occur
- Vision of Saad sagging back to defend the goal line instead of defending is man, tidy that up and that goal doesnt occur
- Inject fully Charlie and Gov into that side and we dont lose
- Change some coaching staff around Teague and we will be way better off. Teague and and MC are starting to make statements with players like Murphy and SPS but I still think he needs better quality line coaches around him.
- Our best is good enough, about that there is no doubt and we have shown it against all the contenders. We just have to do it longer and be a little bit more ruthless when we do get ahead.
Yesterday, when we got ahead, we did everything right except put the foot on the throat. And that can be done in a number of ways and one of them is getting into your opponents head and intimidating them into submission. Instead, what I saw was Sydney players, despite being down, physically intimidating our blokes into submission. The sooner our blokes as a group truly believe we belong, that will change. Not trying to be a smart ass here but extract Doc out of that side and insert a Selwood or a Hodge into it and we dont lose, nothing surer in my mind. Not because they are superstars, but because they are competitive beasts who know the mind game side of thing better than most. They would have intimidated Syd into believing they were gone and the rest of our blokes would have followed. Instead, Doc for reasons we probably all know, has lost that "kent" he once had and the result was all there to see. Not blaming one man here, just making some points about collective attitude and leadership that we must improve in order to take the next step.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 11: Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #129
Most of the Heeney highlights saw Saad as his opponent... height and body advantage there.
So was Newman supposed to be his opponent?
At the opening bounce, Gibbo was at Heeneys shoulder and I thought WTF is that, Heeney kicked the opening goal and they changed that immediately.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 11: Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #130
Time for my weekly hitout report??

Pittonet had 31 hitouts from 58 contests - He won 53.4% of contests he was in.
He had 8 hitouts to advantage meaning 25.8% of his hitouts went to advantage.
My stat - hitout to advantage from ruck contest % - 13.8%

DeKoning had 13 hitouts from his 28 contests - He won 46.4% of contests he was in.
He had 6 hitouts to advantage meaning 46.2% of his hitouts went to advantage.
My stat - hitout to advantage from ruck contest % - 21.4%

Sinclair had 24 hitouts from 68 contests - He won 35.3% of contests he was in.
He had 5 hitouts to advantage meaning 20.8% of his hitouts went to advantage.
My stat - hitout to advantage from ruck contest % - 7.3%

McLean had 6 hitouts from 16 contests - He won 37.5% of contests he was in.
He had 1 hitout to advantage meaning 16.7% of his hitouts went to advantage.
My stat - hitout to advantage from ruck contest % - 6.2%

As far as ruck craft goes.....we dominated the ruck.
Agreed
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 11: Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #131
Whilst another loss where we were in it up to our teeth until 3/4 time is difficult to cop (again), I have to agree with Krudd that we are not that bad.
Couple of points (not picking on players by the way):
- Docs fumbles which cost 2 goals, tidy that up and those 2 goals dont occur
- Vision of Saad sagging back to defend the goal line instead of defending is man, tidy that up and that goal doesnt occur
- Inject fully Charlie and Gov into that side and we dont lose
- Change some coaching staff around Teague and we will be way better off. Teague and and MC are starting to make statements with players like Murphy and SPS but I still think he needs better quality line coaches around him.
- Our best is good enough, about that there is no doubt and we have shown it against all the contenders. We just have to do it longer and be a little bit more ruthless when we do get ahead.
Yesterday, when we got ahead, we did everything right except put the foot on the throat. And that can be done in a number of ways and one of them is getting into your opponents head and intimidating them into submission. Instead, what I saw was Sydney players, despite being down, physically intimidating our blokes into submission. The sooner our blokes as a group truly believe we belong, that will change. Not trying to be a smart ass here but extract Doc out of that side and insert a Selwood or a Hodge into it and we dont lose, nothing surer in my mind. Not because they are superstars, but because they are competitive beasts who know the mind game side of thing better than most. They would have intimidated Syd into believing they were gone and the rest of our blokes would have followed. Instead, Doc for reasons we probably all know, has lost that "kent" he once had and the result was all there to see. Not blaming one man here, just making some points about collective attitude and leadership that we must improve in order to take the next step.

re 'kent'...
There was a bit of push and shove which we instigated which i was pleased about. We can still improve that area though.

I reckon Newnes back in the team for Gibbo (or Cottrell who is almost an invisible man nowadays) will add that little bit of 'kent'. He always flies the flag and doesn't shirk contact. He is a seasoned body who is not intimidated.
Willo used to be that player but is so devoid of confidence that he is not worth persisting with at this stage.
Gov gives us a bit of aggression, but is still weeks away.
Not many blokes not in the 1's we can expect that from, so Newnes should get the gig. It will help us put the foot on the throat a bit more and just lift that little bit extra when the going gets tough.

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 11: Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #132
re 'kent'...
There was a bit of push and shove which we instigated which i was pleased about. We can still improve that area though.

I reckon Newnes back in the team for Gibbo (or Cottrell who is almost an invisible man nowadays) will add that little bit of 'kent'. He always flies the flag and doesn't shirk contact. He is a seasoned body who is not intimidated.
Willo used to be that player but is so devoid of confidence that he is not worth persisting with at this stage.
Gov gives us a bit of aggression, but is still weeks away.
Not many blokes not in the 1's we can expect that from, so Newnes should get the gig. It will help us put the foot on the throat a bit more and just lift that little bit extra when the going gets tough.

Martin doesn't mind getting down and dirty....
Finals, then 4 in a row!

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 11: Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #133
Mckay kicked 3.5.
In the third quarter, Fogarty kicked at goal truly only for a mark to be taken on the line.  If that one, and Harry's poster both go in we might have gone on to win the match.

Thats the margin right there guys.  Harry kicks 5.3 instead of 3.5 and we are that much closer too.

When it comes down to it, we werent that bad.

For all the Gibbons haters, he is an onfield coach for us, and plugs a lot of holes that earns him very little on the stats sheet.

He went off, and we crumbled in a way that surprised me.

It just goes to show, that we are still working out a complementary group of players.  I think we have enough of each type, and that our improvement doesnt come from changing players over for another, but getting the group to work together for longer.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 11: Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #134
re 'kent'...
There was a bit of push and shove which we instigated which i was pleased about. We can still improve that area though.

I reckon Newnes back in the team for Gibbo (or Cottrell who is almost an invisible man nowadays) will add that little bit of 'kent'. He always flies the flag and doesn't shirk contact. He is a seasoned body who is not intimidated.
Willo used to be that player but is so devoid of confidence that he is not worth persisting with at this stage.
Gov gives us a bit of aggression, but is still weeks away.
Not many blokes not in the 1's we can expect that from, so Newnes should get the gig. It will help us put the foot on the throat a bit more and just lift that little bit extra when the going gets tough.
Yeah sure, but I was referring to the skippers. Crippa goes ok, Doc was a ruthless little mongrel when he came to Carlton, I think he's lost that edge. Two knee recos and a bout of cancer will do that I'd imagine.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time