Re: Review Reply #630 – July 30, 2021, 04:43:39 pm Quote from: Gointocarlton – on July 30, 2021, 04:41:25 pmHe gets a $1-1.5M free courtesy of Haw, Coll will throw the kitchen sink at him.They all have to obey the soft cap though, the soft cap tax/fine is enormous, I believe a sliding scale up to 50% of whatever you spend as overs.However, it is one of those AFL discretion things, so you just know it won't be apply equitably. Quote Selected
Re: Review Reply #631 – July 30, 2021, 04:45:41 pm Quote from: PaulP – on July 30, 2021, 12:50:12 pmThat may be true, but professional organisations do not and should not be run like that.I've never worked in the corporate world, so I can't say I really understand the corporate mindset - is this an extension of the trophy mindset ? Trophy home, trophy wife, trophy player, trophy coach ? If not, then I can only assume that these are people stuck in an atomistic, mechanistic mindset -the best players plus the best coach plus the best facilities etc. equals success. Well that's wrong. Modern science has made it clear that relationships between things are where it's at. Which is why other clubs have success and we thrash around looking for Peter Perfect. Peter (Brock) Perfect died! Quote Selected
Re: Review Reply #632 – July 30, 2021, 04:48:02 pm Quote from: laj – on July 30, 2021, 04:26:02 pmResults tell you alot. Bolton had 4 wins from his last 43 games. That's not donkey work, that is just a donkey. No fool in their right mind keeps a coach with a 9% record from his last 50 games no matter what our culture is like. That's just embracing failure.Bolton could never pass for a coach. Fail on every level. Quote Selected
Re: Review Reply #633 – July 30, 2021, 04:54:05 pm Quote from: Gointocarlton – on July 30, 2021, 04:45:41 pmPeter (Brock) Perfect died!I was thinking of the character from Whacky Races, one of my favourite early childhood shows. I'm not into car racing, so I didn't know that was Brock's nickname. Quote Selected
Re: Review Reply #634 – July 30, 2021, 05:00:27 pm Quote from: laj – on July 30, 2021, 04:26:02 pmResults tell you alot. Bolton had 4 wins from his last 43 games. That's not donkey work, that is just a donkey. No fool in their right mind keeps a coach with a 9% record from his last 50 games no matter what our culture is like. That's just embracing failure.You keep trotting the 4 from 43 line, but I maintain the club blinked early. You say it wasn't donkey work, mate it was 100% donkey work given where the list was at. Boltons early days were akin the the GWS and GC early days given the age and experience of the list. Clarkson wouldn't have done any better IMO, he is showing it this year at Haw. Quote Selected
Re: Review Reply #635 – July 30, 2021, 05:31:14 pm Quote from: Gointocarlton – on July 30, 2021, 05:00:27 pmYou keep trotting the 4 from 43 line, but I maintain the club blinked early. You say it wasn't donkey work, mate it was 100% donkey work given where the list was at. Boltons early days were akin the the GWS and GC early days given the age and experience of the list. Clarkson wouldn't have done any better IMO, he is showing it this year at Haw.Reckon Clarko has been trying?....when Mitchell came back from WC he would have known what was going on and the likely outcome with his old pal Jeff waiting to send him on his way. I think he has just played the year out without much care knowing he was about to get one mill plus free in a payout and then walk into another job of his choice.He has been very cool and collected for a bloke who has been driven out of the job and usurped by his understudy Mitchell, reckon Clarko knew exactly what he was doing this season and had his foot off the gas for a large part of the year. Quote Selected
Re: Review Reply #636 – July 30, 2021, 05:54:59 pm Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on July 30, 2021, 05:31:14 pmReckon Clarko has been trying?....when Mitchell came back from WC he would have known what was going on and the likely outcome with his old pal Jeff waiting to send him on his way. I think he has just played the year out without much care knowing he was about to get one mill plus free in a payout and then walk into another job of his choice.He has been very cool and collected for a bloke who has been driven out of the job and usurped by his understudy Mitchell, reckon Clarko knew exactly what he was doing this season and had his foot off the gas for a large part of the year.Plausible but unlikely IMO. Quote Selected
Re: Review Reply #637 – July 30, 2021, 06:47:37 pm Quote from: Gointocarlton – on July 30, 2021, 05:54:59 pmPlausible but unlikely IMO.Clarko has been telling porkies for a while like how keen he was to coach next season and continue his work with the Hawthorn youth as he had his passion back, 1.2 mill seemed to dull his interest real quick. Caro has been right so far, I'll be interested in what she says about Clarko having a year off too when the offers start coming in.. Quote Selected
Re: Review Reply #638 – July 30, 2021, 06:49:04 pm Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on July 30, 2021, 06:47:37 pmClarko has been telling porkies for a while like how keen he was to coach next season and continue his work with the Hawthorn youth as he had his passion back, 1.2 mill seemed to dull his interest real quick. Caro has been right so far, I'll be interested in what she says about Clarko having a year off too when the offers start coming in..Stated on the news he probably wont field offers in the next 3-4 weeks. Looks like he is favouring a year off. Quote Selected
Re: Review Reply #639 – July 30, 2021, 06:51:07 pm OK, i think i've worked out the outcome this review was supposed to have.Lets look at some facts.1. Outgoing president stated Teague will coach 2022.2. Clarkson is sacked and will sit out 2022 and get paid to do so.Joining the dots....Clarko coaches us in 2023. Quote Selected
Re: Review Reply #640 – July 30, 2021, 06:59:51 pm Quote from: Gointocarlton – on July 30, 2021, 06:49:04 pmStated on the news he probably wont field offers in the next 3-4 weeks. Looks like he is favouring a year off.Stated he was seeing out his contract too and he would be at Hawthorn next year....reckon 1.5 mill a year for 5 years might change his mind. If Gold Coast really want him he might get more than that via the good old AFL chipping in too.He can just sit back now and yep he wont field any offers for 3-4 weeks but I bet his manager will.... Quote Selected
Re: Review Reply #641 – July 30, 2021, 07:01:36 pm Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on July 30, 2021, 06:59:51 pmStated he was seeing out his contract too and he would be at Hawthorn next year....reckon 1.5 mill a year for 5 years might change his mind. If Gold Coast really want him he might get more than that via the good old AFL chipping in too.He can just sit back now and yep he wont field any offers for 3-4 weeks but I bet his manager will....He said he would stay, they terminated him early. He has honoured his word to this day. If he says tomorrow he will take a break, I would believe it. Quote Selected Last Edit: July 30, 2021, 07:03:22 pm by Gointocarlton
Re: Review Reply #642 – July 30, 2021, 07:05:46 pm Quote from: kruddler – on July 30, 2021, 06:51:07 pmOK, i think i've worked out the outcome this review was supposed to have.Lets look at some facts.1. Outgoing president stated Teague will coach 2022.2. Clarkson is sacked and will sit out 2022 and get paid to do so.Joining the dots....Clarko coaches us in 2023.Not sure MLG's word is good for much, would we really let Clarkson sit out and let other clubs court him?What if Teague makes finals 2022 and we have promised Clarko the job....very awkward?, not to mention poor old DT who will live every game like its his last. Might as well pay Teague out if thats the plan and get Clarko working now. Quote Selected
Re: Review Reply #643 – July 30, 2021, 07:08:05 pm Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on July 30, 2021, 07:05:46 pmNot sure MLG's word is good for much, would we really let Clarkson sit out and let other clubs court him?What if Teague makes finals 2022 and we have promised Clarko the job....very awkward?, not to mention poor old DT who will live every game like its his last. Might as well pay Teague out if thats the plan and get Clarko working now.I would expect there would be an agreement and possible signed contracts if it was the case.As for your what if's....club is not that forward thinking. We can still make finals this year! Quote Selected
Re: Review Reply #644 – July 30, 2021, 07:17:50 pm Quote from: Gointocarlton – on July 30, 2021, 07:01:36 pmHe said he would stay, they terminated him early. He has honoured his word to this day. If he says tomorrow he will take a break, I would believe it.My view is he wanted the money and had no intention of coaching but backed that knob Jeff Kennett into a corner saying he was staying put and Mitchell has been having a hissy fit at the thought so Kennett had to offer the payout.He didnt seem to have any trouble accepting or having too many tears for those young players he was so passionate about either.Clarko 1 vs Hawks nil...Do we really think if he gets offers of 1.5 mill plus a year he is going to say No thanks ....this is his chance to secure his retirementand then leave the game. IMHO he is burnt out and has other things, other places he wants to go but he needs the Willy Wonka Gold ticket to do it and there about 4 clubs looking for a messiah. This is his best chance to play them off against each other to up the money , we had the Review for a reason and timed it for a reason. Hope I am wrong because I like David Teague but I can feel Matho warming up the plane and having the caviar delivered fresh sooner than later.. Quote Selected