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Re: Review

Reply #180 –
I've heard The Aints are almost broke, they spent big at just the wrong time before COVID hit and are struggling financially. Our own club abolishing it's debt at just the right moment is a huge deal.

On the coaching issue, I think we need a JTurd type coach, that is a coach who isn't really the coach but the media front man, as JTurd was for BumberT!

Could FIGJAM fill that roll, be Teague's media front man?
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: Review

Reply #181 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Have to disagree Paul, some of our players are lazy, want to play bruise free footy, get paid big money and leave too much to the likes of a few players who carry the team every week. They are killing the coach and providing not much leadership for our young kids. It's not about belting blokes, drinking 40 cans of VB and coming home at 3pm in the morning before a game to show how cool and tough you are. We just have too many blokes who don't care enough about what they are doing and it's frustrating. Sellers is a neanderthal stuck in the past but he did care about what happened on a Saturday afternoon and wouldn't have tolerated what our blokes dish up in terms of soft lazy disinterested football. Stkilda players are doing the same to Ratten....

Yes, exactly. It's such a waste as we are so competitive still on the scoreboard but don't have the care to take that extra step to work hard enough to turn that into wins. Because of the scoreboard competitiveness it wouldn't take that much to change things. Just some intestinal fortitude to do that hard work. That is the most infuriating.

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Reply #182 –
I reckon any sort of coaching position would be the last thing on Buckley's mind. Can't remember where I heard it but someone suggested he'll be doing special comments stuff for the footy on Channel 7 next year....might even be sooner.

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Reply #183 –
Quote from: WASurfer – on
I reckon any sort of coaching position would be the last thing on Buckley's mind. Can't remember where I heard it but someone suggested he'll be doing special comments stuff for the footy on Channel 7 next year....might even be sooner.

Tend to agree. He's been involved with football (and particularly the Pies) for most of the last 30? years. The time for a break is now IMO.

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Reply #184 –
As much as I'm in favour of a review there is a fair bit of mixed messaging going on here.
Hopefully they sort it out, but it's a bit of a  dog's breakfast at the moment
It's quite confusing working out who is in charge, who's driving things, the scope and extent of any review and who is under scrutiny and who isn't.

I've always thought the 'rebuild' was a delaying tactic, a time buying exercise, to take the heat off a club under pressure.
By doing so they bought a couple of years free of criticism....because the expectations were low.

It may be a bit cynical but...Is the review just another one of these tactics to take the heat off for a bit...."Oh, we have a few problems but we're reviewing things so leave us alone for a while to sort it out."

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Reply #185 –
Quote from: Lods – on
As much as I'm in favour of a review there is a fair bit of mixed messaging going on here.
Hopefully they sort it out, but it's a bit of a  dog's breakfast at the moment
It's quite confusing working out who is in charge, who's driving things, the scope and extent of any review and who is under scrutiny and who isn't.

I've always thought the 'rebuild' was a delaying tactic, a time buying exercise, to take the heat off a club under pressure.
By doing so they bought a couple of years free of criticism....because the expectations were low.

It may be a bit cynical but...Is the review just another one of these tactics to take the heat off for a bit...."Oh, we have a few problems but we're reviewing things so leave us alone for a while to sort it out."

That would imply we are smart enough to work that bit out.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

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Reply #186 –
Quote from: Lods – on
As much as I'm in favour of a review there is a fair bit of mixed messaging going on here.
Hopefully they sort it out, but it's a bit of a  dog's breakfast at the moment
It's quite confusing working out who is in charge, who's driving things, the scope and extent of any review and who is under scrutiny and who isn't.

I've always thought the 'rebuild' was a delaying tactic, a time buying exercise, to take the heat off a club under pressure.
By doing so they bought a couple of years free of criticism....because the expectations were low.

It may be a bit cynical but...Is the review just another one of these tactics to take the heat off for a bit...."Oh, we have a few problems but we're reviewing things so leave us alone for a while to sort it out."

Not sure it's so much mixed messaging from us, more the media have no idea yet.

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Reply #188 –
In context a president guaranteeing a coaches job confirms them as a dead man walking doesnt it??
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

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Reply #189 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
In context a president guaranteeing a coaches job confirms them as a dead man walking doesnt it??

Sounds a bit more than the evasive "having the full support of the Board". Alot more elaboration.

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Reply #190 –
I think Teague is safe and I feel they want to keep him to his contract. Only way he is not there is if he himself decides to pull the pin. As for every other position in the footy dept? Not so safe and all up for review and change if required. Thats my opinion.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
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Reply #191 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
I think Teague is safe and I feel they want to keep him to his contract. Only way he is not there is if he himself decides to pull the pin. As for every other position in the footy dept? Not so safe and all up for review and change if required. Thats my opinion.

That is my opinion too. Like Geelong did with Bomber, Richmond with Hardwick, Buckley with Collingwood the reviews sorted out the other issues. made the changes that created much better support for the coach. In each case they played the Grand Final the next year, the first two cases, won the GF by a large margin and created a dynasty.

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Reply #192 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
I think Teague is safe and I feel they want to keep him to his contract. Only way he is not there is if he himself decides to pull the pin. As for every other position in the footy dept? Not so safe and all up for review and change if required. Thats my opinion.
Agree

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Reply #193 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Nice of the club to do the review, and heap all this pressure (but not pressure) on Teague soon after the loss of his mother in law too. Right after he's been shipped off to Sydney for a mini hub for a couple of weeks.

Who'd be a senior coach?

They are significant stressors for any person. The club preaches support for it's own. I certainly hope they can use some discretion and compassion. If nothing else, in terms of time.
Coming together is the beginning.
Keeping together is progress.
Working together is success.
Henry Ford.
 

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Reply #194 –
And with no intent to derail, I spent a good half hour with Buckley years back.  We got talking very intently about club histories, family upbringings, and everything in between.

He enjoyed it as did I.  Thoroughly like him.  Good good person.