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Re: Review

Reply #390 –
It will be interesting to see how long the review takes.
Pavlich's comments seem to indicate it will be quite comprehensive.
Some aspects of the football department function may spill over into other areas and raise a few issues for other sections of the club.
The transparency and how recommendations are dealt with will be interesting.

You would think we're probably looking at a time frame of around at least 4-6 weeks to gather information, given the number of people they need to speak to, and the movement of players and officials involved with the fixtures all over the shop at the moment.
It might be hard to tie a few folks down.

Compiling, discussion and reporting may extend that time frame, but if, as is likely, there are issues surrounding the assistant coaches they may need to be fast tracked as their positions for next year will need to  be confirmed.

Re: Review

Reply #391 –
Re-sign Cripps, get that announced soon, and the interest in this review evaporates, it'll barely get a run in the media now that Big H has also signed!

It'll  only be the crap stirrers that try.

There will be even less interest if we win a game or two in the coming weeks.

In some respects, I think this review timing is quite tactical, they give the MC the all clear now and even if the 2nd half of the season turns to dust the review is done and dusted buying them another season. After this review no matter what happens by seasons end they won't take significant action again for at least 12 months.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: Review

Reply #392 –
Quote from: Lods – on
It will be interesting to see how long the review takes.
Pavlich's comments seem to indicate it will be quite comprehensive.
Some aspects of the football department function may spill over into other areas and raise a few issues for other sections of the club.
The transparency and how recommendations are dealt with will be interesting.

You would think we're probably looking at a time frame of around at least 4-6 weeks to gather information, given the number of people they need to speak to, and the movement of players and officials involved with the fixtures all over the shop at the moment.
It might be hard to tie a few folks down.

Compiling, discussion and reporting may extend that time frame, but if, as is likely, there are issues surrounding the assistant coaches they may need to be fast tracked as their positions for next year will need to  be confirmed.

Agree... and Sayers doesn't seem to be the sort of cat who's into 'papering over cracks', so, comprehensive is a good word - and comprehensive it must be. If it spills into other areas of the club - good. If there is need for strong change, good.

I'm looking forward to seeing what they unearth.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: Review

Reply #393 –
On a side note, really impressed with Harry's leadership this season.

He is still a relatively young lad, and he seems to be wanting to impose himself on the contest.

The highlight of this season probably for him, club and supporters, was his decision to own the kick from outside of 50 against Hawthorn, and duly go back and slot it.

Consistency still a bit of a concern, but an evaporating one.

Shows real character, and the easiest thing to do was postpone his decision to sign with us again, and the fact that he did so in such tumultuous circumstances is a testament to the young lads maturity.

Bravo Harry, and we should also give credit to the footy club where its due.  We have done well not to bleed too much talent given the way we operate.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: Review

Reply #394 –
Standard corporate tactics.

The incumbent makes the cuts, takes the hit gets a bonus for slashing the fat.

The successor initiates a review, makes some cursory changes, takes the credit for the upswing which was already underway, gets a bonus for turning things around when the incumbent couldn't.

Notice the outcome, nobody ever fails to get a bonus!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: Review

Reply #396 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/you-don-t-do-a-review-then-punt-the-property-steward-why-big-change-is-afoot-at-carlton-20210615-p581a5.html

Just finished reading this article - excellent stuff. Important points raised and information provided.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17
 

Re: Review

Reply #397 –
So we're having a review, why?
There seems to be a lot of different opinions on this one.
To summarise...

1) Sayers wants to make a clear distinction between his presidency and the previous one. He wants to present an image to supporters that he is a man who is not afraid to take action if necessary.
2) Sayer’s has gone off ‘half-cocked’ based on a couple of conversations with players.
3) This is the review we had to have.
4) It’s the review we had to have but the timing is a bit off and it ‘could have, should have’ waited until seasons end.
5) It’s the review we had to have, but it should look at all aspects of the club operation rather than just the football department.
6) The review comes at a strange time given we have a much better second half draw and players coming back from injury. There is a danger we could end up looking a bit panicky and silly by season’s end.
7) It’s a time buying exercise designed to temporarily ease pressure and give the impression the club is responding to supporter’s concerns.
8 ) We don’t need to review anything, we’re tracking fine. It's just taking a bit of time for things to gel, but once we get games into players together and a few players back from injury things will turn quickly.

The bizarre thing about this one is that you could just about make a solid case for any one of those options...or a combination of those options.




Re: Review

Reply #399 –
@Lods...
I think 6 is directed at me, but a few others ring true to what i've been saying as well.

I think there is one that isn't really covered, which i've suggested as well.

Just because we are having a review, it doesn't mean its going to work. It may make things worse. We may cut the wrong guy. For all we know, Barker was the wrong guy. He may have been the glue holding everything together. He may have been the mediator.

Whatever happens from here is going to get a different picture of what its been like over the past 18 months. Now people are going to be doing differernt roles, covering for Barker, and after only 2 weeks of doing that, a routine and/or stress levels are yet to be found. Any review based on this state of flux will most likely be an inaccurate one.

One thing worth noting was from the PaulPs article was that in each major independent review in recent history, the GM of football has gone. As best as i can tell that is Brad Lloyd. Given Matthew Lloyds new found knowledge of how all things Carlton seem to be going, i'd suggest Brads job is very much on the line.....and rightly so.....despite Matthew Lloyds protesting.

Re: Review

Reply #400 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
@Lods...
I think 6 is directed at me, but a few others ring true to what i've been saying as well.

I think there is one that isn't really covered, which i've suggested as well.

Just because we are having a review, it doesn't mean its going to work. It may make things worse. We may cut the wrong guy. For all we know, Barker was the wrong guy. He may have been the glue holding everything together. He may have been the mediator.

Whatever happens from here is going to get a different picture of what its been like over the past 18 months. Now people are going to be doing differernt roles, covering for Barker, and after only 2 weeks of doing that, a routine and/or stress levels are yet to be found. Any review based on this state of flux will most likely be an inaccurate one.

One thing worth noting was from the PaulPs article was that in each major independent review in recent history, the GM of football has gone. As best as i can tell that is Brad Lloyd. Given Matthew Lloyds new found knowledge of how all things Carlton seem to be going, i'd suggest Brads job is very much on the line.....and rightly so.....despite Matthew Lloyds protesting.
Going to be hard to review Lloyd properly with Liddle providing cover, same with the other member of the trinity in Agresta. With Liddle overseeing proceedings with Sayers it isn't truly Independent and as you say it doesn't mean a Review is the magic wand for success.

Re: Review

Reply #401 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Going to be hard to review Lloyd properly with Liddle providing cover, same with the other member of the trinity in Agresta. With Liddle overseeing proceedings with Sayers it isn't truly Independent and as you say it doesn't mean a Review is the magic wand for success.
Lets not confuse overseeing with influencing. I expect to the the 3 external amigos to review and make recommendations irrespective of what the Richmond Bloke or Sayers think. I cannot see them being intimidated into a result by a schmuck like Baldylocks.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
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2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: Review

Reply #403 –
Quote from: raven – on
Interesting info in here too, thought posting it in this thread most suitable.

Doesn't paint Cripps in a great light, mind you limited ruck talent doesn't help either re feeding your mids.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-17/what-has-gone-wrong-with-carlton-this-year/100218856

Those figures are somewhat skewed because he was running at about 50% for the start of the year.

A few points worth noting...
1. Meters gained for Cripps will always be done compared to most because he has a high handball to kick ratio.
2. His turnovers will be lower because he has a high handball to kick ratio. We don't want him being more adventurous, we want him to handball to a teammate....not kick.
3. His clearances will be 'on par' with most because he was injured early and because he is being tagged....sometimes by more than 1 player. Some of the other players with higher clearance rates have Elite rucks like Gawn giving them first use. Its not simply about Cripps, but those around him that can affect his numbers.

Re: Review

Reply #404 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
@Lods...
I think 6 is directed at me, but a few others ring true to what i've been saying as well.

Not just at you Kruds, although you've laid out a logical reason why we could finish with more wins in the second half.
There are quite a few across the various Carlton forums and pages that think we will be much better in the second half. and they're also pointing at things like easier opposition and the improved injury situation.

The interesting one for me is the media aren't embracing this theory.
They're dining out on "Crisis at Carlton"
But wait and see them pounce on us if things are better.
it will be "Silly old Carlton, jumping at shadows and turning the joint upside down for no reason.  Anyone could see they were going to come good"