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Re: Review

Reply #570 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
You are the first to tell that rumour from where I sit.


Been on a Big Footy for a while
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
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Re: Review

Reply #571 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Yes they would, but Clarko is the type who would appreciate this situation is not just about him, its also about the HFC and Sam Mitchell both of whom have served him well. Thats why I reckon he will honour his contract next year. There is the slim possibility that Haw will say if something comes up sooner, go with our blessing.
And can I also add this, another reason why I reckon he wont be the coach of Carlton is because of the way we treated his great mate Bolts. We here will all have our opinions of Bolts, many will also say he cant coach and that's fine. I'll lay London to a brick Clarko will have a very different option of him and how he was treated by us.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership
 

Re: Review

Reply #572 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Been on a Big Footy for a while

That explains why i havent heard it.

I stay away from big footy.

Those platforms tend to attract all manner of scuttlebutt and I just dont have the time to go trawling for stuff that will wind up on here.

I think there is a universal truth when it comes to a player and fitness.

Its up to the player to rule themselves out of selection, and not the fitness and conditioning staff.  They are simply there to provide opinions because like health care, everyone is different and only you really know your own body. 
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: Review

Reply #573 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
That explains why i havent heard it.

I stay away from big footy.

Those platforms tend to attract all manner of scuttlebutt and I just dont have the time to go trawling for stuff that will wind up on here.

I think there is a universal truth when it comes to a player and fitness.

Its up to the player to rule themselves out of selection, and not the fitness and conditioning staff.  They are simply there to provide opinions because like health care, everyone is different and only you really know your own body. 
And if you know where to look,  amongst the plethora of characters (such as this site), there are posters they call "In The Knows" (ITKs) that have bang on information almost every time. From team selections, to contract talks, recruiting, etc.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: Review

Reply #574 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
And can I also add this, another reason why I reckon he wont be the coach of Carlton is because of the way we treated his great mate Bolts. We here will all have our opinions of Bolts, many will also say he cant coach and that's fine. I'll lay London to a brick Clarko will have a very different option of him and how he was treated by us.

I believe you’re right G2C.

Clarko has been quite outspoken about coaches being sacked and I’m sure that he would avoid a coaching appointment that arose as a result of the incumbent being sacked while contracted.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: Review

Reply #575 –
Quote from: jeza – on
Hard to find excuses for Russell regardless of reputation. A guy like McGovern - he has clearly been mismanaged. Curnow, Marchbank, Silvagni, Cunningham, Kreuzer, etc.

Its a long long list of players he hasn't been able to keep on the park.
You are blaming Russell for McGovern rocking up unfit and unprofessional? Curnow for falling up stairs, playing basketball, kick to kick with his brother and injuring himself. Marchbank has never completed a season without injury, Kreuzer was nearly cooked by the time Russell arrived in late 2018.
The bloke has been involved with 6 premierships at different clubs and then winds up at a 3rd World organisation like Carlton expected to turn everyone into Usain Bolt, think he has the runs and credits on the board and its a bit rough to be expecting him to be performing medical/high performance miracles with some of our players.

Re: Review

Reply #576 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
The bloke has been involved with 6 premierships at different clubs and then winds up at a 3rd World organisation like Carlton, think he has the runs and credits on the board and its a bit rough to be expecting him to be performing medical miracles with some of our players.
I do not believe the role Russell is in at Carlton is the same as the role he held at the Dawks, based on what we saw in the AFL documentary he's moved into more of a supervisory / managerial role with us from more of a hands on at the Dawks.

I'm not even sure the role he finished in at the Dawks was the same role he held during their period of success.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #577 –
If Russell was told to compromise his program, he would walk. It would be professionally damaging to him and not worth staying around. I call BS on BF!

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Reply #578 –
Quote from: townsendcalling – on
If Russell was told to compromise his program, he would walk. It would be professionally damaging to him and not worth staying around. I call BS on BF!
Yes I agree, it would be no different to the bust up between Ratten and Cordy.

But I'm still not sure his role is the same at Carlton as it was at the Dawks.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #579 –
Quote from: townsendcalling – on
If Russell was told to compromise his program, he would walk. It would be professionally damaging to him and not worth staying around. I call BS on BF!

Could be that Russell was promised all manner of more responsibility to coax him away from the Dawks? Could be the review discovers that he should refocus on what he's best at and take his fingers out of other pies (which may be distracting/watering down his undoubted expertise & skills).
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

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Reply #580 –
Quote from: Baggers – on
Could be that Russell was promised all manner of more responsibility to coax him away from the Dawks? Could be the review discovers that he should refocus on what he's best at and take his fingers out of other pies (which may be distracting/watering down his undoubted expertise & skills).
Yes quite possibly, that comment from Leigh Matthews in the coach discussion video you linked makes the statement, paraphrasing he said "Let's admit it we are all control freaks!", from time to time they may need rescuing from themselves! I dare say in hindsight both Ratten and BB needed that, but our club was too weak and it didn't come in time if at all!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #581 –
Quote from: LP – on
Yes quite possibly, that comment from Leigh Matthews in the coach discussion video you linked makes the statement, paraphrasing he said "Let's admit it we are all control freaks!", from time to time they may need rescuing from themselves! I dare say in hindsight both Ratten and BB needed that, but our club was too weak and it didn't come in time if at all!

Both the Tiggers and Pussycats made such adjustments to their senior coaches areas of responsibilities (after an independent review) and we know the results of having them focus on their role... only. You are so right, and so was Lethal, when commenting on the very nature of senior coaches... they are control freaks and need to be protected from themselves.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: Review

Reply #582 –
Quote from: LP – on
I do not believe the role Russell is in at Carlton is the same as the role he held at the Dawks, based on what we saw in the AFL documentary he's moved into more of a supervisory / managerial role with us from more of a hands on at the Dawks.

I'm not even sure the role he finished in at the Dawks was the same role he held during their period of success.
I'm just saying the players who were mentioned were either partly to blame for their injuries or who have had long running fitness issues.
Even Martin's game average per season over the journey is poor, then you have the club recruiting the likes of Williams who was a known poor endurance performer with ongoing achillies issues and Russell is copping the blame for all of it...I'm just calling unfair given his record at premiership clubs. I remember the Geelong recruiter who we signed but only stayed a few months said we were unprofessional and archaic in our recruiting and technical neanderthals in our methods and its fair to say fitness hasnt been our strong point either and Russell is starting a long way back compared to other high performance gurus at other successful clubs.

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Reply #583 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
There are rumours around that those players are being rushed back at Teague's insistence, because he desperately needs wins, going against Russell's advice.

Even if that's true (not that I'd want to question the impeccable track record of BF) but it's still on Russell. It's his responsibility to manage the players fitness - and not allow anyone else to influence his decisions on what is best for the players.

And yes McGovern has been massively mismanaged since he got to the club. To anyone who's been paying the slightest bit of attention that is fairly obvious.

But Gov is just one example - of many but who cares about trying to argue the point. Carlton's injury list has been as bad as anyone in the league since Russell arrived - that's just fact. And we can't run out games. Right now the injury list is sitting at 15 which is as bad as anyone yet again! Not saying they're ALL Russells fault - but if he left and we appointed a hyperactive Cocker Spaniel to the position I doubt we'd have worse than 15 injuries at this point. So hardly a devastating blow if he left.

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Reply #584 –
Quote from: LP – on
Yes I agree, it would be no different to the bust up between Ratten and Cordy.

But I'm still not sure his role is the same at Carlton as it was at the Dawks.

We have added leadership to his portfolio and I'm not sure that he has any particular expertise in that area.

Russell is very good at getting players to peak condition but that doesn't help when team selection is based on salary and profile before fitness and form.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!