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Re: Football Department Review

Reply #1080 –
Quote from: Lods – on
Yep...two games into 2015

It was a...
a) Time buying exercise to deflect criticism.
b) A move designed to force out the coach who didn't want a bar of a rebuild
c) Both of the above.

The effect was it killed the season 2015 as all efforts went into setting up for the start of the rebuild. Players were left uncertain about their future and the coach's future.

Now six years later we've had another 'time-buying exercise' that derailed a season and left the club (looking from the outside) in a bit of a mess.

Six years of rebuild...and this!
And folks say we should be patient. ::)

Unfortunately, every significant change, be it senior coach, CEO, list, sets the clock back a little further, as each new person or regime remakes the club (or their part of the club) in their own image.

Whether supporters are aggrieved or not, success looks ages away at the moment. If Clarkson or Lyon come in, they will want to tinker, and that takes more time than just sticking with Teague and helping him to iron out the kinks IMO. Although with everything that's happened in the last 24/48 hours, I suspect it's too late for Teague, and if he does coach in 2022, it will be in pretty trying circumstances.

Re: Football Department Review

Reply #1081 –
Quote from: Lods – on
Six years of rebuild...and this!
And folks say we should be patient. ::)
Yet, I can't help but think we're again throwing out the treasure and keeping the crap!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #1082 –
Quote from: LP – on
Yet, I can't help but think we're again throwing out the treasure and keeping the crap!

Quite possibly
I'm not sure how you determine that though, when the guys making the decisions have bought us to this point.
The review might have been ill-timed.
It may have had some pre-determined findings (things that were already known)
But the review is the best we have.

I wonder whether we'll ever reach the point where a group of competent ,qualified, passionate supporters put their heads together and ask the members to give them a go at running the place.

Re: Football Department Review

Reply #1083 –
They'll  never get a look in thanks to the "nominations committee".  ie you have to be a mate of the inner circle or you've got Buckley's.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

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Reply #1084 –
Quote from: Lods – on
That's about it...

In 2014 we finished 13th ( an injury hit season)
Two games into 2015 they announced a review and derailed the 2015 season
In 2021 we finished 13th (an injury hit season)

Worst rebuild ever. ::)

We're only 20odd years into our 50 year rebuild though...  :(

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Reply #1085 –
Quote from: Lods – on
I wonder whether we'll ever reach the point where a group of competent ,qualified, passionate supporters put their heads together and ask the members to give them a go at running the place.
This is where money corrupts, our addiction to the money tree leaves us a victim of the generous benefactor.

It's ironic, they all desire the same thing, they want the club to win, yet the people handing the money out are nearly always the main reason for it being wasted and ultimately scuppering that very process they support financially! ;)

We really miss Dick Pratt, because he played at a level that gave him a unique understanding, he knew when to tell the accountants and executives to get out of the pool and let the people get to work!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"
 

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Reply #1086 –
In one of the threads @Gointocarlton‍ posed a question about what would we do if we were on the Board.

I joked about arrogance, but I'd do one thing very seriously, I'd partition Football and Commercial.

There would be an impenetrable barrier, and the only magic way to cross it would be to announce yourself, announce what you intend to do and why, and force adherence to those declarations, so that all anonymity in decision making is removed the moment you choose to cross that barrier in either direction. Forced responsibility through complete transparency and accountability.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #1087 –
Barass70 on Bigfooty has come in from his self isolation with the message that 'only a handful will survive.' and 'It's happening and more'

Re-Liddle-Good chance out

That  place has gone a bit feral.

Soon find out if he's a really good ITK

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Reply #1088 –
People can be paranoid, they think someone announcing an event that was secret or private indicates a leak, it is not always the case.

Sometimes to work out what is going on you just have to be far enough away from the events to see the whole picture, you get to see the forest whiles those in the middle of it can only see a few trees!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #1089 –
If Cripps stays we need serious pace around him, and not skinnies. Kennedy, Walsh, Ed are strong enough but too slow.

Dow is OK but struggles to hit a barn by foot, Williams is still possibly a key if they can get him fit enough.

A couple of our kids floating around the VFL look good enough, but are probably at least a season or two away.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #1090 –
Caroline Wilson was saying a long way out, and before the review was announced, that Teague would be sacked and Clarkson would be installed as Coach for 2022 despite both being contracted to the end of 2022 by their respective Clubs. Clearly she was being briefed by certain Board Members or certain Board Members were talking to people who then were talking to Wilson. The old plausible deniability ploy. The actions of these 'Faceless Men', and they will be men, to undermine the clear agreed strategy of the Club, undermine the Coach and undermine the team's performance throughout 2021 is a disgrace. The review was always a thinly designed process to engineer this scenario. The problem is that Clarkson does not seem to have committed to this process.
We have been down this scenario before. A jaded supercoach forced out by a egotistical President who wanted his own choice as Coach coming to Carlton to put the finishing touches on a list that was primed to potentially win a Premiership. We all know how that worked out.
I have been quite happy with LaGiudice as President. The year before he became president he gave a presentation basically setting out his vision for the Club to the AGM. In his term, the playing list has been rebuilt, the Football Department has been restructured, a Carlton AFLW team was selected to be part of the inaugural season which was far from being a certainty, Membership numbers have increased dramatically, debt has been eliminated and Princes Park has been redeveloped and now has facilities that a high performance professional sporting organisation should have. However the on field team performance have been less than satisfactory.
I do not know what Luke Sayer stands for. I do not know what his vision is for the Club and I do not know what his values are and whether they align with the stated values of the Club, particularly around 'Respect'. He didn't stand up for Teague or the Football Department at anytime through the announcement of the Review to its conclusion. If as I suspect, he and his supporters were involved in the backgrounding of the media and the undermining of the agreed positions of the Board, Teague has a Contract for 2022 which was signed off by the Board, then clearly he is untrustworthy. As this has all been done through anonymity, smoke and mirrors, then to me he lacks courage and honesty.
The whole process has been a farce. I have pondered this for a long time. Over the past twenty years we have had players, we have had coaches, we have had CEO's, we have had Football Managers, but it is now clear to me what we have lacked are Boards and Board Members that have not been able to develop a process whereby they can develop an agreed strategy they are willing and able to stick to and have not demonstrated the capability to work through problems when they arise in a constructive coherent and honest manner. We are consistently getting people on the Board who are unable to control their egos, keep diverging from the plan, seek simple and short term solutions and are unwilling to take responsibility for any failure by engaging in blame shifting. The good ones just get out.

 

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Reply #1091 –
Quote from: Blue Moon – on
Caroline Wilson was saying a long way out, and before the review was announced, that Teague would be sacked and Clarkson would be installed as Coach for 2022 despite both being contracted to the end of 2022 by their respective Clubs. Clearly she was being briefed by certain Board Members or certain Board Members were talking to people who then were talking to Wilson. The old plausible deniability ploy. The actions of these 'Faceless Men', and they will be men, to undermine the clear agreed strategy of the Club, undermine the Coach and undermine the team's performance throughout 2021 is a disgrace. The review was always a thinly designed process to engineer this scenario. The problem is that Clarkson does not seem to have committed to this process.
That's a post or posts like it that have been circulating a while in different forms on different forums, it's been pushed a bit on Talking Carlton.

But it is basically a conflagration of two very separate issues surrounding Judd's training wheels comment and the Kennett Clarkson dispute. I'm not sure at which point someone merged them deliberately if it was even deliberate.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #1092 –
I am not sure what you mean LP

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Reply #1093 –
Quote from: Blue Moon – on
I am not sure what you mean LP
It was a hypothesis based on Judd's Teague training wheels comment, that Teague would be gone by seasons end, and the dispute between Kennett and Clarkson that suggests Clarkson's tenure was coming to an end. So the natural conflagration is Teague out Clarkson in.

The idea is hasn't gone to plan is bogus, because there was never a plan in the first place, it wasn't presented simultaneously, the initial claims that Teague would be gone and Clarkson would be gone were months apart. Now some are trying to paint it as a unified master plan leaked to the media!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #1094 –
Quote from: LP – on
Here is my wash up, based on the surfacing rumours there are some irrevocable conclusions even if only a small small percentage of it is true;

 - Teague can't be coach.
 - Cripps and Doc can't be captains.
 - Liddle has been asleep at the wheel.
 - Brad Lloyd is gone.
 - Some big name players will be lost.

Care to elaborate on  which big name players will be lost???