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Re: Pre Game Promise AFL Rd20: Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #61 –
Ross the Boss on FC can't understand why we are playing Charlie this week.
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Re: Pre Game Promise AFL Rd20: Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #62 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Ross the Boss on FC can't understand why we are playing Charlie this week.
I tend to agree, because from a club perspective I can't see the reward for the risk, but I can also understand from Charlie's perspective why he would play and why it might be critical for him to play.

I also understand the list management perspective offered by some of our fellow forum members, if Charlie breaks it's better to find that out now before the draft / trade period.

On the issue of Lyon commenting, he's potentially got a few vested interests so we have to take that into consideration;

 - Is he interested in the Carlton coaching job, if so that critique is basically a free hit betting on a bad outcome, some may even say potentially barracking for a bad outcome, eager for a tragedy?

 - Does he have any lingering interest and emotional connection with The Aints?

We may discount those ideas, but they are every bit as valid as the claims SOS had a conflict of interest, so if we do not consider them seriously we show a definite bias!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: Pre Game Promise AFL Rd20: Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #63 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Ross the Boss on FC can't understand why we are playing Charlie this week.
Maybe the coach and others think every win can change the outcome of the Review, or maybe Ross wants his FF shiny and new for next season...

Re: Pre Game Promise AFL Rd20: Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #64 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Maybe the coach and others think every win can change the outcome of the Review, or maybe Ross wants his FF shiny and new for next season...
Agreed, we have to be so careful of commentary from individuals that potentially have skin in this game.

In the washup, despite my reservations about the benefit versus the risk, Charlie playing is a good news story whatever the outcome. My advice is to not let doubters like myself degrade the experience! As Carlton supporters we all wish him well!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: Pre Game Promise AFL Rd20: Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #65 –
While Charlie’s return may be a little rushed, I think that it may be part of the long game.  Teague has mentioned several times the importance of Charlie being happy.  Perhaps getting him back on the park is as much about next season as it is about this one.

As for Ross Lyon, his comments are no more informed than mine.  Of course he can offer up an opinion, like askholes, everyone has them.  He would know very little about Charlie’s form and fitness, and even less about his state of mind.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: Pre Game Promise AFL Rd20: Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #66 –
If Charlie is fully fit then bring him back by all means imo, but don't rush it prematurely.
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: Pre Game Promise AFL Rd20: Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #67 –
If he is properly prepared and ready to go, let him loose now so that he can work through any mental barriers, get confidence in his body and hit a preseason with no inhibitions and kill the 'Charlie Speculation'.

It should not be a publicity stunt, but an important part of the preparation for a stuuuunnning 2022 for Charlie!!

Re: Pre Game Promise AFL Rd20: Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #68 –
There is one question re the knee - is it more likely to be stronger (or less likely to buckle again) if he keeps resting it or are we well past that point?

I would expect the latter otherwise he wouldn't be considered at any level.

Fitness? He's a Curnow. A freak (and I mean that in a very complimentary way).

Of course he'll be a bit rusty, but the guy knows how to play footy.

He plays - and hopefully kicks 6.

He needs to refind his 'footy legs'.

 
Finals, then 4 in a row!

Re: Pre Game Promise AFL Rd20: Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #69 –
LOB will be picked tonight.

Last chance lotto........

Re: Pre Game Promise AFL Rd20: Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #70 –
Quote from: Slowhand – on
LOB will be picked tonight.

Last chance lotto........
Maybe they are using the logic of fattening him up for trade and hoping he plays a few decent games and attracts a buyer or two..

Re: Pre Game Promise AFL Rd20: Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #71 –
If Charlie plays then expectations have to be low.....he'll be rusty for sure but win or lose (the latter IMO), if he gets through the game then it's a win for him and the club.

Similarly with McGovern, I'm not a fan of what he's brought to the club in 3 years but if he's fit then it's worth the punt.....it'll at least give us two marking forwards and allow Kennedy to play midfield where he's been really good for the last month and take a bit of pressure off Silvagni too....can't expect him to be the backup ruckman and the only marking bloke up forward. And with Kennedy in the middle, then Cripps can split his time between midfield and up forward....at least give St Kilda something to think about defensively, unlike last week against North.

Re: Pre Game Promise AFL Rd20: Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #72 –
Yep
In his games the season he was injured Charlie had a slow start.
If I remember correctly there were even a few post asking what was wrong with Curnow.
Then he had that standout 7 goal game just before he was injured.
That's what sticks in folk's mind.

It's probably best to lower expectations...and if he does have a standout game, be pleasantly surprised ;)  ;D

Re: Pre Game Promise AFL Rd20: Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #73 –
The expectations should be low.

We have 45 players who are on the list.

Of those 45 players, we are missing:

Player

Eddie Betts    Ankle    Expected to miss 1-2 weeks. Update: 26 July
Jordan Boyd    Knee    "We won't see him for at least a month." Update: 6 July
Levi Casboult    Knee    Returned to running. Unavailable this weekend. Update: 26 July
David Cuningham    Knee    Out for remainder of season.
Charlie Curnow    Knee    Increased his minutes in reserves scratch match on weekend. Update: 26 July
Sam Docherty    Ankle    "He won't play again in the home-and-away season." Update: 26 July
Michael Gibbons    Hamstring    Out for remainder of season. Update: 26 July
Josh Honey    Knee    Missed last weekend: expected to be available this week. Update: 26 July
Caleb Marchbank    Knee    Out for remainder of season.
Oscar McDonald    Back     "We think he needs a couple of weeks of full training to get back to playing but it’s looking like we’ll see him again this year, which is really exciting." Update: 20 July
Mitch McGovern    Hamstring    Returning to action this weekend. Update: 26 July
Harry McKay    Toe    An outside chance to play this weekend. Update: 26 July
Alex Mirkov    Knee    "We're getting him in shape to play: whether he plays this year remains to be seen." Update: 13 July
Sam Philp    Groin    Out for remainder of season.
Marc Pittonet    Ankle    Returning to running this week: chance to return in final weeks of season. Update: 26 July
Will Setterfield    Groin    Experiencing low-grade groin soreness. Unavailable this weekend. Update: 26 July
Zac Williams    Hamstring    Low-grade hamstring. Expected to miss 2-3 weeks. Update: 26 July

17 through injury,  If any of these guys play this week, they are coming in with no real form line.

Of these 17, 2 (Eddie and Harry) have scored most of our goals for the season.  2 are high priced recruits (McGovern and Williams).  2 are our other ruck/forward stocks that are proven at AFL level, and would be nice to have them given the dearth of other options (Levi, Pittonet), 1 is a co Captain and former All Australian.  3 were supposed to be foundation players in our rebuild (Harry, Charlie and Cunners).

We know players dont go through the season 100% fit, but most clubs would start to buckle with so many walk up start players being out injured at once.  The fact that we have lost our first choices, AND our second choices is enough reason to worry about beating anyone who comes to play.

From what I have seen, we have not really got anywhere near our best footy this season for a variety of reasons not solely on player availability, but its also to do with chemistry.  Something you cant build any other way than playing games together.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson
 

Re: Pre Game Promise AFL Rd20: Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #74 –
Quote from: WASurfer – on
If Charlie plays then expectations have to be low.....he'll be rusty for sure but win or lose (the latter IMO), if he gets through the game then it's a win for him and the club.

Similarly with McGovern, I'm not a fan of what he's brought to the club in 3 years but if he's fit then it's worth the punt.....it'll at least give us two marking forwards and allow Kennedy to play midfield where he's been really good for the last month and take a bit of pressure off Silvagni too....can't expect him to be the backup ruckman and the only marking bloke up forward. And with Kennedy in the middle, then Cripps can split his time between midfield and up forward....at least give St Kilda something to think about defensively, unlike last week against North.

You bet, need two legitimate targets forward + Silvagni.

Brackets is the type who can contribute first up. And he's a difficult match up.

Despite not performing for us (yet), the guy is a very able and talented footballer.

Like Charlie, with X factor.

And Bam Bam in the guts.

Finals, then 4 in a row!