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Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 20: Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #150 –
Quote from: jeza – on
Playing Murphy in spite of his inability to perform just so he can get to 300 is definitely putting the individual before the club given we're sitting 1 win outside the 8 with 3 to play.
Personally, I think the above statement exposes a prejudice, I'll explain why.

In most games sMurph has played he has been far from our worst, even in several of those partial games when he has come on he had as much influence if not more influence than some that played 4-qtrs. Yet many "fans" seem happy not to give him credit when credit is due.

I thought that there was a danger that perhaps I was being too apologist for sMurph, so I completed a small exercise.

I filtered out his partial game rankings and come up with a ranking for his 2021 season relative to other team mates only based on full games. Based on that measure he ranked 12th on our list of 2021 players. That put him ahead of SoJ, Martin, Fogarty, Gibbons, SPS, Fisher, De Koning, Stocker, Jones, Dow and even Betts as well as a heap of others.

Now I realise different ranking systems will produce different results, but I do not expect any of them to result in him being top of the pile or bottom of the list.

Perhaps I'm not the one being biased after all! ;)
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 20: Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #151 –
The club isn't beholden to Murphy. He will be selected or not, based on a number of factors, one of which will be the 300 milestone, another will be who plays his role instead etc. It's not as though there is some match winner / match breaker waiting in the wings, and Murphy is keeping him out of the side. There's nothing set in stone that he won't go around next year, although granted it seems unlikely. Age can't be a factor, because folks are pumping up Betts for 2022, and he's a year older. It's possible that both could play next year, as depth / part time players.

This idea that finals are on the line, therefore Murphy can't play, doesn't stack up in my mind.

Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 20: Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #152 –
Great to see SoJ recognised in the AFLCA votes.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 20: Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #154 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
Yes. And Walsh sitting third in the leaderboard.
It's interesting to see that Cripps keeps polling in the AFLCA, yet the broadcasters and the fans keep telling everyone how poor he's been, the CheatsFC TV commentary crew almost did an impromptu segment on it!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 20: Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #155 –
Quote from: LP – on
Personally, I think the above statement exposes a prejudice, I'll explain why.

In most games sMurph has played he has been far from our worst, even in several of those partial games when he has come on he had as much influence if not more influence than some that played 4-qtrs. Yet many "fans" seem happy not to give him credit when credit is due.

I thought that there was a danger that perhaps I was being too apologist for sMurph, so I completed a small exercise.

I filtered out his partial game rankings and come up with a ranking for his 2021 season relative to other team mates only based on full games. Based on that measure he ranked 12th on our list of 2021 players. That put him ahead of SoJ, Martin, Fogarty, Gibbons, SPS, Fisher, De Koning, Stocker, Jones, Dow and even Betts as well as a heap of others.

Now I realise different ranking systems will produce different results, but I do not expect any of them to result in him being top of the pile or bottom of the list.

Perhaps I'm not the one being biased after all! ;)

Ranking points you say?
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 20: Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #156 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
Ranking points you say?
Yes, they are a rough guide, not a definitive measure. ;)
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 20: Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #157 –
Quote from: LP – on
It's interesting to see that Cripps keeps polling in the AFLCA, yet the broadcasters and the fans keep telling everyone how poor he's been, the CheatsFC TV commentary crew almost did an impromptu segment on it!

Cripps, even down on form, is good enough to usually poll in one award or another IMO. But his votes would be pretty low compared to those glory days of 2018-19.

Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 20: Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #158 –
Quote from: WASurfer – on
Just on our tackling in the Saints game, was it just me or did a lot of our very good tackles go unrewarded? There seemed to be quite a few instances where the perfect tackle was laid and the Saints player given an eternity to get rid of it, then didn't, and we still didn't get a kick.

And the arms around the waist free kick in a marking contest....be nice if that rule applied to all areas of the ground. It seems to be only against defenders.

I had similar thought. The interpretation of rules is becoming more of a mystery to me.
Coming together is the beginning.
Keeping together is progress.
Working together is success.
Henry Ford.
 

Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 20: Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #159 –
Quote from: LP – on
It's interesting to see that Cripps keeps polling in the AFLCA, yet the broadcasters and the fans keep telling everyone how poor he's been, the CheatsFC TV commentary crew almost did an impromptu segment on it!

Bias on show?
Coming together is the beginning.
Keeping together is progress.
Working together is success.
Henry Ford.

Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 20: Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #160 –
To be honest, I think a key aspect of Friday's win was Josh Honey's performance - we have been searching for the next small pressure forward, and from what I saw, he has all the makings.  For someone in just his third game (well, second if you only count game time), his first half was exceptional. 

And, he is the only Carlton player who has never played in a loss!
This is now the longest premiership drought in the history of the Carlton Football Club - more evidence of climate change?

Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 20: Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #161 –
Quote from: LP – on
Great to see SoJ recognised in the AFLCA votes.

Indeed. Outstanding performance 👏
Leadership on show.
Coming together is the beginning.
Keeping together is progress.
Working together is success.
Henry Ford.

Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 20: Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #162 –
Quote from: tonyo – on
To be honest, I think a key aspect of Friday's win was Josh Honey's performance - we have been searching for the next small pressure forward, and from what I saw, he has all the makings.  For someone in just his third game (well, second if you only count game time), his first half was exceptional. 

And, he is the only Carlton player who has never played in a loss!
Not sure I'd call him a small forward...@186cm he is more your medium forward IMO but I fully agree he looks the part and
it amazes me he hasnt had more opportunities. Smart in close by hand and one of those players who can just find the goals at least once every game, should get promoted to the senior list. Reminds me a bit of Cam Rayner from Brisbane....

Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 20: Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #163 –
Quote from: tonyo – on
To be honest, I think a key aspect of Friday's win was Josh Honey's performance - we have been searching for the next small pressure forward, and from what I saw, he has all the makings.  For someone in just his third game (well, second if you only count game time), his first half was exceptional. 

And, he is the only Carlton player who has never played in a loss!
He has a weapon that if used properly will terrorise defences, blistering speed.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
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Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 20: Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #164 –
Quote from: LoveNavy – on
Indeed. Outstanding performance 👏
Leadership on show.
He's a Silvagni.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership