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Reply #120 –
Maybe Ivermectin will finally work on this new variant. After all, it's the perfect timing for a Xmas miracle.

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Reply #121 –
Interesting to see the MO - FR trends for deaths in the U.S.  Normally 1000+

Yesterday?  306. Why?  No doubt Thanksgiving

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Puts so called climate change into the irrelevance it is as a global necessity.
Actually, there are potential strong links between the rise of a potential pandemic style virus and climate change, as well as an increase in potential deadly bacterial or fungal infections.

Basically the assertion is that changes in micro-climate alter the behaviour and range of animals, which changes the overlap between wild animals, livestock and humans, and as such the mix of contagions intermingling between species will change. Given enough exposure zoonosis is likely. A real world example might be the Crown of Thorns Starfish spreading widely and invading the Great Barrier Reef and now heading further and further south.

Also the change in micro-climate allows some virus, bacteria and fungi to persist longer in environments from which they would have been almost foreign in the past!

On the Lab Leak / Gain of Function hypothesis it looks to be dead and buried now, the latest research identifies a specific Wuhan Wet Market Wild Meat trader as the first case, even so China's protectionism or indifference over the trillion dollar wild meat trade is a massive contributing factor.

Finally, the WHO warned the global governments about this new variant regardless of where it comes from, if we aren't all safe and protected then none of us are safe.

I don't see any point in Gilding a Lily on this, but celebrate your freedoms while you can as it's likely not going to last!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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What we better look up is the new strain coming out of Africa.  Puts so called climate change into the irrelevance it is as a global necessity.  Well Grandpa Xi?      

The Greeks or those that are familiar with the Greek language and Monty Python will understand this and giggle more than everyone else (this variant if it is decided to be new, will be call NU which sounds more like this).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIV4poUZAQo
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

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Reply #124 –
Heard the great news today which could be the beginning of things we wished wouldn’t happen. Rod Barton an back bench member of the upper house has agreed to vote for the pandemic management bill with 6 amendments. This will give Dan Andrews the numbers he needs to have the bill voted in and become the new legislation he was looking for. Especially considering the 15th of December was the end of the current state of emergency. Of more interest Dan announced at an interview that this bill was exactly what we need to protect the people and be safe with the new Omicron strain. “We are not out of the woods just yet, and this is not over yet”. Thank you Dan. I thought you stated the best way to live with this virus was with a high vaccination rate. We gave you that with over 90% fully vaccinated people. You stated we would not see more lockdowns or masks in the long term. We wouldn’t see other restrictions of movement.

Why exactly have you now got this bill ready to vote in by Wednesday or Thursday? What special protection mechanism is in the new bill that we haven’t already seen? I always suspected he would let us enjoy Christmas as a gift from him. A way to win some popularity from the community. Then wait for 2022. He will instruct this new emergency state. Enforce new restrictions, and what ever he chooses. Letting us know it was voted in, and is in the bill. He didn’t force this on the people on his own. It needs to be in place because of the Omicron strain to protect us. Then he will blame the reason the strain is in the country, on the federal government for letting people from overseas come here with this new strain.

Yet this strain is not new to the medical professionals. It has been around for a while. Just not advertised to all the public. How is the Federal and State governments on a different page almost all the time? Can they not see what this will do the enrage further public protesting? How will they deal with situations? Will it border lines on human and civil rights and liberties? How much duty of care for individual health and well-being will see further mental health issues? Why were we all vaccinated again?

Matthew Guy rang me yesterday to let me know he will do everything in his power to remove this new pandemic management bill when he is elected into parliament as a Premier. Thanks Matt, but that is nearly a year away. You still need to get a vote to remove it from legislation, if you have the numbers to do so. I am not against these bills. Just need some common sense that doesn’t allow a leader to abuse their powers. This is definitely a case with this bill and Dan Andrews. Get ready for and interesting start to 2022 guys. If not earlier.
This digital world is too much for us insects to understand.

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Reply #125 –
V for Vendetta all over him

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Reply #126 –
The Pandemic bill will be passed tomorrow with new safeguards.  The amended bill now has the support of the Ombudsman and the Human Rights Law Centre, Law Institute of Victoria and Centre for Public Integrity all generally agreed that the bill was worth supporting.

Paul Hayes, QC and Victorian Bar president Roisin Annesley, QC, both still have concerns about the bill. They both said judges and magistrates should review detention orders rather than a detention appeals panel, but I think that's more about protecting turf.   I'd rather have public health experts making decision about public health issues.

Interestingly, two party preferred support for the Andrews Government is just under 60%, and that's over 2% higher than the vote at the last State election.  63.5% of Victorian electors approve of the way Andrews is handling his job, up 3% points from mid-November 2021.  Matthew Guy will be hard-pressed to retain the leadership of the Liberal Party, let alone repeal legislation.  In addition, 76% of Victorians agree that an employed worker in Victoria should not be allowed to enter their employer’s workplace unless fully vaccinated (Figures from Roy Morgan).

As an aside, Roy Morgan conducted an interesting analysis of CBD protestors based on geo-fenced mobile device data.  It's at https://www.roymorgan.com/findings/8864-roy-morgan-ubermedia-melbourne-pandemic-vaccine-protests-november-2021-202111300446
"Negative waves are not helpful. Try saying something righteous and hopeful instead." Oddball

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Reply #127 –
Good news that the Bill has been passed. Expect it to be a model for other States now.

Any suggestions from Matthew Guy that it will be repealed if the Liberals get in is a bad faith promise. For a start, it's easy to promise the world if you're likely to lose the forthcoming election. But even if they win, the Liberals would still need to obtain the support of crossbenchers to ensure its repeal. And even if all that happens, the legislation is machinery that only comes into play if there's a pandemic or the like. The Liberals could repeal it but then pass it again if circumstances demand as Labor would join with the Liberals in the LC to ensure its passage. Guy making a promise to repeal the legislation is the equivalent of someone making a promise to someone while crossing his fingers behind his back. 

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Reply #128 –
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Good news that the Bill has been passed. Expect it to be a model for other States now.

Any suggestions from Matthew Guy that it will be repealed if the Liberals get in is a bad faith promise. For a start, it's easy to promise the world if you're likely to lose the forthcoming election. But even if they win, the Liberals would still need to obtain the support of crossbenchers to ensure its repeal. And even if all that happens, the legislation is machinery that only comes into play if there's a pandemic or the like. The Liberals could repeal it but then pass it again if circumstances demand as Labor would join with the Liberals in the LC to ensure its passage. Guy making a promise to repeal the legislation is the equivalent of someone making a promise to someone while crossing his fingers behind his back. 

Matthew Guy was Minister for Planning in my department and, from my experience, integrity is not his strong point. 
"Negative waves are not helpful. Try saying something righteous and hopeful instead." Oddball

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Reply #129 –
Whatever happened to East West Link?

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Reply #130 –
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Whatever happened to East West Link?
Comrade Andrews scuttled that project.....the other Guy has said he will build it if elected and ScoMo has promised some money to help him but I dont see it happening.
Andrews is too busy building his iron curtain regime to worry about building roads......his pandemic bill safe guards dont mean anything if he has the numbers in Parliament.

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Reply #131 –
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Whatever happened to East West Link?

The electorate voted against it ... twice!
"Negative waves are not helpful. Try saying something righteous and hopeful instead." Oddball

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An American televangelist accused of broadcasting COVID-19 vaccine disinformation in Australia has died, weeks after contracting the virus.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-02/daystar-marcus-lamb-covid-death/100669238?utm_medium=social&utm_content=sf251684796&utm_campaign=fb_abc_news&utm_source=m.facebook.com&sf251684796=1&fbclid=IwAR2M_kMIlJmP-JO7dJIqimPkJH-7BD2arfj-KtEZzIxvNUzfN3Z4dha3NcI

As one of my American colleagues was fond of saying, "My heart bleeds purple panther p1ss."
"Negative waves are not helpful. Try saying something righteous and hopeful instead." Oddball

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Reply #133 –
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Comrade Andrews scuttled that project.....the other Guy has said he will build it if elected and ScoMo has promised some money to help him but I dont see it happening.
Andrews is too busy building his iron curtain regime to worry about building roads......his pandemic bill safe guards dont mean anything if he has the numbers in Parliament.

You do realise that the North East Link Project is the biggest road building project ever undertaken in Victoria?  And then there's the level crossing removal project  Both progressing well despite COVID. 

Even Dan Andrews realises that the Coalition will inevitably return to power in Victoria in the next decade or so.  Why on earth would he pass legislation that would give the Coalition unfettered powers?  The Pandemic Management (soon to be) Act establishes oversight by a Parliamentary committee with the Government having minority representation.
"Negative waves are not helpful. Try saying something righteous and hopeful instead." Oddball

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You do realise that the North East Link Project is the biggest road building project ever undertaken in Victoria?  And then there's the level crossing removal project  Both progressing well despite COVID. 

Even Dan Andrews realises that the Coalition will inevitably return to power in Victoria in the next decade or so.  Why on earth would he pass legislation that would give the Coalition unfettered powers?  The Pandemic Management (soon to be) Act establishes oversight by a Parliamentary committee with the Government having minority representation.
Nth East Link is 6.5 billion over budget, Westgate Tunnel is 3.3 Billion over budget.
That's a lot of hospitals....