Carlton Supporters Club

Haters, whingers, play the ball LP.

Only cost Victorians a billion dollars in breaking the contract !!

Very interesting DJC. You obviously feel my opinion has no place with a politician that doesn’t share the same view as me. Just as you are a supporter of the Dan Andrews government and see his “no response “ as being fine in conducting his work. Yet my first email asked for some advice on the Pandemic Bill, as I wasn’t sure what it was about. I had a response from a secretary on his behalf giving me links and some information. I was instructed by the email to contact the office with any further inquiries and concerns, but to be aware that with the number of mail sent, it was not possible to reply in quick fashion. Once I sent the next mail claiming I had concerns about the bill and begged them to reconsider, there has been no response since.

I did the same to all cross bench members with a please tell me more and what is your opinion? They gave me a response and links to learn more. When negativity was sent from me second time by mail, they backed why they think it might be in the best of interests comparing to previous bills. More transparency etc. Not yet certain how they will vote. Some were already in a position to oppose the new bill and stated why. Still instructing me to mail or call anytime with other issues, but to be patient as a return response may take some time.

Matthew Guy returned his email a week later with the same brief and links. I sent further emails stating why we should look for options to make amendments to the bill by Dan. He claimed this as an option but thought removing it completely was the best option at the moment. He rang me a week later to have a chat about my feelings to his response and if there were other items to bring up in parliament before this year ends. I was at work and listened to my voicemail to hear his message left. I couldn’t call back at work so I rang his office to leave a message that I will email him other infrastructure issues, and issues where the state and federal governments don’t have a way to unify, and set ways to standardise covid restrictions. We are not a group of countries trapped on one island in the south. We are one country divided and need to have some standards that help us work together. That was last week, so I don’t expect an instant response back.

Office from Dan Andrews has no response to any calls or emails. Even the original, please help me understand what this legislation is about and what does it mean to the people of Victoria? Nothing. Which looking at the other members of parliament tells me, Dan doesn’t give a flying f@ck about anyone DJC. He is open to advice. He isn’t interested in hearing your opinion, which is mine. Not your opinion. You agree with him by what I see. Nothing wrong with that. His office shouldn’t stand by a theory that he serves the community and is open to be contacted and help his people. He isn’t. Turn the phone off. Shut the computer down. You are full of sh1t Dan. You are not there to be with us when you don’t listen to us. We are not in this thing together. You are a first class liar. A piece of scum that has no position running any state. When you don’t tell fibs, you conceal the truth or facts. Which is even worse than telling stories that make you a liar.

The other members gave some response back eventually. So who do I trust? Very few because I don’t believe they will tell me all the truth I need to hear. At least they hear me enough to engage conversation. I have the emails from the MP’s and phone messages. I must be talking sh1t though. How did I fluke getting responses from members of upper house parliament? None from Dan Andrews members at all. Not even with an please explain? I must be an idiot so let us just leave it to that result. I am old, stupid and everything I experience is me being an anti-vaxxer, or against the current Premier. Unfortunately we can’t vote the current government out before November 2022. Nearly an entire year away. Dan will never get my vote ever again. Never. I would do a better job and I wouldn’t even know where to start. How about honestly and integrity. Is that something that would work. Not in politics as what I have seen.

Thank you DJC for some of the almost condescending comments. Appreciate them all. It is all opinion and good feedback. Won’t respond in a way to engage an argument. You have your opinion. I just ask why things can’t be different. Nothing wrong with this in my opinion. Just because the state and county is full of corrupt politicians doesn’t make it right. The world is full of murderers, thieves and rapists. That doesn’t go to say it is correct.

My stepfather lives 1 km from the office in Noble Park of Dan Andrews. He is interested in the bill and some issues regarding award/minimum wage, pensions and a few others questions. Let’s just see what minimum to no response he gets. He is too busy running the state as you said. Maybe running it into the ground? My bad, sorry. Sarcasm from me on that one. Not directed to you. Running a state to me was about serving your constituents. The people that voted your party into power. If you can’t hear them because your own agenda is above all priorities of the people it could be what gets you out of a job eventually. Just saying a possibility.

Your sales pitch has put my opinion in concrete. Thank you. I now understand how it works. He which is too busy to see what goes on around him and hear what people say, is either being ignorant or has a self benefiting agenda. He will never get a vote, nor will his party from me, ever again in history. I will seek a better option. Bad or worse leaves me win choice of bad.

Just to let you know, I didn’t address any mail with “how dare you steal our freedoms “. Seriously DJC. I am not a complete f@ckwit. I was taught by my mother that complements to any individual as a first point of communication engages conversation. They lower a persons guard and get them to listen once you need to hit them with some hard concerns. Then be receptive and accept their views but ask, “why do you feel this is the solution and what other options did you have”? If they repeat a pre-rehearsed response you have heard over and over again, you are going to argue with someone who will never hear your view. They know better than you do. Go ask someone else for another opinion, just to establish an opinion isn’t contradicting facts and that goes the other way around. Then choose what you get out of the conversation.

She said wrong is wrong. Just because it is a fact of live indicates wrong is still wrong. Red tape is a fact of life but could be wrong. Systems and processes might be wrong. Life is all about wrong. Ask the questions why and don’t be afraid to do so. Don’t expect change, but accept positive changes as they do happen on a rare occasion. Be honest. Be brave to ask questions, why, where, who what and when. Don’t believe everything you read. You learn more from talking to someone than reading what they wrote. Hence scripted text, interviews and carefully constructed facts mean little to me many times. If that makes me stupid, then stupid is where I sit with pride and happy to be honest. Bill looks better than it originally was, but as dangerous as the leader that can abuse it at their will. Wait and see what happens next year. I don’t have any answers there. Suspicion of things that could be an issue. My opinion again.

The only thing Mantis has learned is how condescending some posters can be and how this government who have relied on working folk like Mantis and his family for votes really operate and have zero care factor for anything else other than their political careers and large pensions. This is what happens when you have a pathetic opposition and lack of quality smaller parties/independents to keep the presiding Government honest.

It looks like you think that Mantis' strategy was the way to go, EB. Did you do the same thing to assist your anti-vaxxer nurse friend as the vaccine mandate loomed? Or did you just not give a frig? Or maybe you just don't like the way this Government fails to respect the right-wing veto.

I am engaging directly with Mantis, something you don't do. Who knows what you think about Mantis' strategy? I sure as hell don't. But you just like the fact that there's a bit of anger directed at the Govt that has shafted your friend. The most arrogant and condescending type is the guy who stands off the argument while throwing insults at will. Either enter the debate or go away.