AFL 2022 - Pre-season - Week 1 vs St. Kilda

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Re: AFL 2022 - Pre-season - Week 1 vs St. Kilda

Reply #75 – February 24, 2022, 12:44:29 pm

Better defensively... thank fck.

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Reply #76 – February 24, 2022, 12:52:08 pm

Sounds pretty low scoring for a pre-season game, it's a worry for the coming season as I usually associate pre-season stuff as a non-contact shootout.

If the coaches are already focussed on lockdowns, 2022 might be very low scoring!

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Reply #77 – February 24, 2022, 01:10:43 pm

Quote from: LP – on February 24, 2022, 12:52:08 pm

Sounds pretty low scoring for a pre-season game, it's a worry for the coming season as I usually associate pre-season stuff as a non-contact shootout.

If the coaches are already focussed on lockdowns, 2022 might be very low scoring!

Bit more contact than the usual Practice game. All the scoring was at one end.

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Reply #78 – February 24, 2022, 01:45:50 pm

Watched Second Half at Ikon

Liked Kemp
Durdin is going to be an asset runs and chases hard..

Markov has promise but a few years away

Charlie was a bit outnumbered but made some nice leads and was honoured a few times

I hope someone gets hold of him and stops that Buddy run around hook foot shot at goal...one shank and two sliced misses.... that I saw
Zav Rocca gone but goalkicking is so crucial...do we have a new goalkicking coach?

Re: AFL 2022 - Pre-season - Week 1 vs St. Kilda

Reply #79 – February 24, 2022, 03:56:08 pm

Quote from: LP – on February 24, 2022, 12:52:08 pm

Sounds pretty low scoring for a pre-season game, it's a worry for the coming season as I usually associate pre-season stuff as a non-contact shootout.

If the coaches are already focussed on lockdowns, 2022 might be very low scoring!

I think that the Princes Park curator will have a job on his hands collecting the piles of rust that were deposited all over the hallowed turf. Kicking for goal was average and both defences had the better of their opponents. Defensive pressure was a key objective but we still played an attacking style, and looked very good when got the overlap going. Best of all, we played the entire game without an extra man behind the ball.

Our forward line was cobbled together and, while Kemp did OK as a key forward, he’s got a lot to learn in that role. Silvagni was very good as forward/ruck/swingman and Charlie did some nice things. Owies and Durdin didn’t have much impact and Fogarty played mainly in the midfield when he came on in the last quarter. Fisher spent a lot of time up the ground and in the midfield.

According to the commentators, Harry and Jack Martin played in a match simulation before the practice match so both look like being available for our next hitout. That should make for a much more potent forward line.

The defence was solid with Boyd being the only one who lowered his colours. McGovern did some nice things but he’s not Jeremy. Playing in defence might save his career but he’s on a steep learning curve. Willo was good and I think that he’s one player who could thrive under Vossy.

All in all, it was a promising start by Vossy’s boys but it’s very much a work in progress.

Re: AFL 2022 - Pre-season - Week 1 vs St. Kilda

Reply #80 – February 24, 2022, 03:56:12 pm

Quote from: Gags1960 – on February 24, 2022, 01:45:50 pm

Watched Second Half at Ikon

Liked Kemp
Durdin is going to be an asset runs and chases hard..

Markov has promise but a few years away

Charlie was a bit outnumbered but made some nice leads and was honoured a few times

I hope someone gets hold of him and stops that Buddy run around hook foot shot at goal...one shank and two sliced misses.... that I saw
Zav Rocca gone but goalkicking is so crucial...do we have a new goalkicking coach?

Ash Hansen can cover this. Worked with Bruce/Naughton at Dogs.....

Re: AFL 2022 - Pre-season - Week 1 vs St. Kilda

Reply #81 – February 24, 2022, 03:59:23 pm

Quote from: Gags1960 – on February 24, 2022, 01:45:50 pm

Charlie was a bit outnumbered but made some nice leads and was honoured a few times

I hope someone gets hold of him and stops that Buddy run around hook foot shot at goal...one shank and two sliced misses.... that I saw
Zav Rocca gone but goalkicking is so crucial...do we have a new goalkicking coach?

Interesting to see how these things creep in, usually a confidence thing, but then like BigH they can take years to get out of the bad habits of one pre-season. All the various twitches, twists, pirouettes, skips and turns add complexity, KISS is always best! Walk straight, jog straight, kick straight, practise, practise, practise.

Most of what goes wrong in goal kicking is more about weight being too far forward or back than anything related to the drop of the ball or running a curve.

Re: AFL 2022 - Pre-season - Week 1 vs St. Kilda

Reply #82 – February 24, 2022, 08:01:09 pm

Quote from: DJC – on February 24, 2022, 03:56:08 pm

I think that the Princes Park curator will have a job on his hands collecting the piles of rust that were deposited all over the hallowed turf. Kicking for goal was average and both defences had the better of their opponents. Defensive pressure was a key objective but we still played an attacking style, and looked very good when got the overlap going. Best of all, we played the entire game without an extra man behind the ball.

Our forward line was cobbled together and, while Kemp did OK as a key forward, he’s got a lot to learn in that role. Silvagni was very good as forward/ruck/swingman and Charlie did some nice things. Owies and Durdin didn’t have much impact and Fogarty played mainly in the midfield when he came on in the last quarter. Fisher spent a lot of time up the ground and in the midfield.

According to the commentators, Harry and Jack Martin played in a match simulation before the practice match so both look like being available for our next hitout. That should make for a much more potent forward line.

The defence was solid with Boyd being the only one who lowered his colours. McGovern did some nice things but he’s not Jeremy. Playing in defence might save his career but he’s on a steep learning curve. Willo was good and I think that he’s one player who could thrive under Vossy.

All in all, it was a promising start by Vossy’s boys but it’s very much a work in progress.

Nice summary, David.

We can't expect McGov to slot in seamlessly... a work in progress. Took Jones a season to get the hang of it. I think, eventually and hopefully, the comparisons between Jones and McGov will fade. If McGov does make it in defense the bottom line is that he'll do some things better than Jones and some things not as good.

I thought our best qtr was actually our final qtr. They had the scoring end and we were defending a scrawny lead. We toughed it out and that is a good sign. But still plenty of work to be done on the 4-7 goal run-ons we give opponents/wilt under opposition pressure when they challenge us/our GP. Glad the new coaches got to see first hand our 2nd qtr fade... a discipline/mental thing that has cost us dearly for yonks and still exists.

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Reply #83 – February 24, 2022, 08:01:16 pm

Thanks guys for the coverage. I was intending to go, but I was called up for work (I'm working as an Emergency teacher these days, and will until I start selling books).
The media was very much over Cerra, although they did mention Hewett. Nice to hear about some of the others.
I hope to get to the practice match against Melbourne next Thursday evening.

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Reply #84 – February 24, 2022, 08:38:19 pm

Quote from: Baggers – on February 24, 2022, 08:01:09 pm

Nice summary, David.

We can't expect McGov to slot in seamlessly... a work in progress. Took Jones a season to get the hang of it. I think, eventually and hopefully, the comparisons between Jones and McGov will fade. If McGov does make it in defense the bottom line is that he'll do some things better than Jones and some things not as good.

I thought our best qtr was actually our final qtr. They had the scoring end and we were defending a scrawny lead. We toughed it out and that is a good sign. But still plenty of work to be done on the 4-7 goal run-ons we give opponents/wilt under opposition pressure when they challenge us/our GP. Glad the new coaches got to see first hand our 2nd qtr fade... a discipline/mental thing that has cost us dearly for yonks and still exists.

I don’t think we faded in the 2nd quarter Shane. Ratts made some adjustments that worked and our blokes haven’t yet learned to tweak Vossy’s game style on the run.

You’re right about the last quarter. The Carlton of the last few seasons would have fought gallantly but would have been over run.

Ash Hanson’s presser is interesting; the coaches seem pretty pleased with our progress while looking forward to the return of a couple of key players.

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Reply #85 – February 24, 2022, 09:10:22 pm

I wasn't a happy-chappy at half-time
But I've been having a bit of a think about it.
I'm normally a bit dismissive of these pre-season games.
Pressure and intensity is usually miles below an in-season game and results are pretty meaningless.
Coaches use them for experimentation.
A few have alluded to the fact that there was a bit more pressure out there today than you would normally see in a pre-season game.
I think that was the case.
It was pretty bruise free that first quarter, but when the Saints came out for the second their intensity went up.
On the other hand ours dropped off.
From half-time on it was a bit of an arm wrestle.
While you would normally see a lot of unforced errors at this stage due to players being a bit rusty I get the feeling that many of the mistakes may have been due to the greater pressure than a normal pre-season.

Whatever the case, I reckon that was a pretty worthwhile hit-out.

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Reply #86 – February 24, 2022, 10:39:36 pm

Anyone with news about the VFL game?

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Reply #87 – February 24, 2022, 10:44:31 pm

Quote from: crashlander – on February 24, 2022, 08:01:16 pm

The media was very much over Cerra,

The media wanted to pump up Cerra, but the big deal was Cripps back in full flight, Cerra fed off him like a limpet but make no mistake it was Cripps winning the footy like the old days!

Ruck might still be an issue for us, Mirkov is 2 or 3 years off, and Pitto tries hard but he is Pitto.

Next week will be a big tell, but after today the Dees might rest half the team!

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Reply #88 – February 25, 2022, 12:15:07 pm

Quote from: LP – on February 24, 2022, 10:44:31 pm

The media wanted to pump up Cerra, but the big deal was Cripps back in full flight, Cerra fed off him like a limpet but make no mistake it was Cripps winning the footy like the old days!

Ruck might still be an issue for us, Mirkov is 2 or 3 years off, and Pitto tries hard but he is Pitto.

Next week will be a big tell, but after today the Dees might rest half the team!

They made an utter mess of North, we cannot have that happen to us.

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Reply #89 – February 25, 2022, 01:11:13 pm

Quote from: Gointocarlton – on February 25, 2022, 12:15:07 pm

They made an utter mess of North, we cannot have that happen to us.

Pre-season stuff is a coin toss, you may have one coach who wants to test the limits of the metal, while another is looking to fashion and a new form of decorative origami!

I think you can only take certain little moments as a tell.

For example when Cripps disposed of Steele, that probably means something because there is no way Steele would allow himself to be bullied and he was frustrated after it happened. Another was the intermittent battle between King and Weitering, you could see various challenges and responses, but not 100% of the time, they'll have a ripper battle in the real season provided the umpires do their job and keep the fight fair.

Would we rest Williams, Cerra, Cripps, it is quite possible they won't play the next match they look cherry ripe already? But some will argue they have to play, to measure themselves against the current benchmarks!

I'd like to see O'Brien get another run, some might be focussed on the negatives, sloppy ball handling, but he got to where the footy was a lot and in AFL that is 90% of the work done! I was more worried about McGovern finding himself out of position and out of the contest in D50, he did a couple of nice things but wasn't involved anywhere near enough!

Kemp looked more impressive than Charlie, but Kemp despite beating his opponents to the footy did like O'Brien and failed to hang onto the pill. By the end of the game Charlie's 1-on-1 work was pretty impressive.

Kennedy is a gun kick for goal, why is he snapping set shots from 35m out around the body, is this contagious? Hopefully it is just a practise match experiment, because you need guys like Kennedy kicking straight and hitting targets on the run, and you don't get better at that by kicking around your body! If he or other mids want to experiment I'd much rather they went back 20m or 30m and then sprint towards the mark for a running shot on goal!