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Re: AFL Rd 2 2022 Post Game Permutations Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #30 –
Quote from: capcom – on
One thing Saad must do ... stop flying in forward line packs when you have no hope at the intercept.  Stay down to guard against a spill to a forward.  Cost us a goal last night
One thing the Doggies do well is blocking in F50. I remember one example late in the game where the ball was kicked to around 40m out towards Naughton/Weitering & Weightman/Saad. Weightman turned around to face Weitering and acted like a Defensive Tackle in the NFL, putting open hands either on or near Weitering's shoulders. He moved a bit left & right but it only lasted a second or 2. Meanwhile, Naughton took advantage to run at the ball and leap, and Saad had no option but to follow and try to apply some pressure. Of course, Saad got nowhere near it and Naughton took an easy mark. It was as subtle as it was effective. 

Yes, that was just 1 example but I'm guessing there was a fair bit of work being done to stop Weitering and the Gov being able to access the ball, creating mismatches for their forwards.

Re: AFL Rd 2 2022 Post Game Permutations Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #31 –
Quote from: Mav – on
One thing the Doggies do well is blocking in F50. I remember one example late in the game where the ball was kicked to around 40m out towards Naughton/Weitering & Weightman/Saad. Weightman turned around to face Weitering and acted like a Defensive Tackle in the NFL, putting open hands either on or near Weitering's shoulders. He moved a bit left & right but it only lasted a second or 2. Meanwhile, Naughton took advantage to run at the ball and leap, and Saad had no option but to follow and try to apply some pressure. Of course, Saad got nowhere near it and Naughton took an easy mark. It was as subtle as it was effective. 

Yes, that was just 1 example but I'm guessing there was a fair bit of work being done to stop Weitering and the Gov being able to access the ball, creating mismatches for their forwards.
The AFL has so many umpires on the ground now, they should focus on stopping this off the ball stuff and completely ignore the trivial contacts between direct opponents that they continually reward. A good example is that one on one between Weiters and Naughton, Naughton holds Weiters by the collar of the jumper, Weiters has and arm around Naughton's waist, they are in physical combat, but the umpire arbitrarily rewards a free kick.

Fans want to see the one on one battle, we don't want to see some $10 tagging spud shepherding the stars 15m away from the contest!

I abhor what Weightman did, if he wants to get in the way put his body on the line like LoB did at the feet of the KPDs a week earlier, like Owies and Durdin did multiple times last night standing under the ball!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 2 2022 Post Game Permutations Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #32 –
I am not sure Charlie is anywhere near his best yet. His five goals indicate what he could do if he does meet his potential. I still think we are one key defender short on our list. McDonald going down could cause problems. Big chance for Young to show his wears. Marchbank is still a way off. I thought Plowman did a good job when he cam on. The other option if we have more problems in this area is for Silvagni to go back there.
As I keep saying, if you can't kick the ball to your team mates you don't have a game plan. The last fifteen minutes was a worry when we couldn't his a target coming out of defence. The team obviously tired, and our skills dropped off, but I think they panicked a bit while also trying to be too careful. The players have just got to trust their skills. I like the fact that they are using their non-preferred foot when kicking at times rather than trying to get onto their preferred side. That second or two they save in time doing that helps to move the ball forward quicker.
Our team discipline work still needs improvement. There was an incident where Kennedy handballed the ball backwards to no one which may seem like an error on his part but in fact a team mate should have been there. That is the strength of a team like Sydney. There is always someone there.
The Bulldogs are a good team that played well for three and a half quarters, but when we went in the second quarter, they weren't able to go with us. Things are looking good and while I don't think we should get ahead of ourselves, I have booked myself in for my Premiership Threepete Tattoo.

Re: AFL Rd 2 2022 Post Game Permutations Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #33 –
Quote from: Blue Moon – on
I am not sure Charlie is anywhere near his best yet. His five goals indicate what he could do if he does meet his potential. I still think we are one key defender short on our list. McDonald going down could cause problems. Big chance for Young to show his wears. Marchbank is still a way off. I thought Plowman did a good job when he cam on. The other option if we have more problems in this area is for Silvagni to go back there.
Do not forget Kemp.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 2 2022 Post Game Permutations Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #34 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
Yeah but they were missing Bailey Smith, and the bont almost missed and wasn't his usual pain on the backside self.  Naughton also couldn't kick which is unlike him.

Our performance was good but we lost our way in the second half but held on.

Note the fact I thought we were going to bottle it and didn't is both good and bad.  Good because we didn't, bad because even though it was a game we didn't really look like losing the fact that I thought we  weren't home with a comfortable lead is part of the issue.
I think our "disadvantages" outweighed theirs. I the past we would have lost that game and not hung on. In the 3 games (Melb, Rich, WB) thus far, I see a steely resolve and grit that I havent seen for a long time. It will grow even more with confidence. The trick for the coaches will be to keep those confidence levels balanced. I dont want to see cockiness, just a ruthless resolve to get the job done whether it be by 1 pt or 1000 pts. I am loving what I am seeing.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 2 2022 Post Game Permutations Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #35 –
Just watched the last qtr. We struggled to get to contests in that last 10 min and when we did have the ball we kicked it straight to them in the F50 or out on the full. Fortunately all their shots were from 45 to 50m and only in directly in front so weren't dead easy. They had a run-on if 5 points in 3 minutes.

Re: AFL Rd 2 2022 Post Game Permutations Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #36 –
Quote from: laj – on
Just watched the last qtr. We struggled to get to contests in that last 10 min and when we did have the ball we kicked it straight to them in the F50 or out on the full. Fortunately all their shots were from 45 to 50m and only in directly in front so weren't dead easy. They had a run-on if 5 points in 3 minutes.
That was our worst period in the three games this year. You could see the confidence drop and skill errors creep in. IIIRC It also coincided with Crip and Pitt being off the ground. As soon as they came back on, we steadied and to the teams credit though, they hung tough.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 2 2022 Post Game Permutations Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #37 –
Apparently the doggies lost the game,  we didn't win it.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: AFL Rd 2 2022 Post Game Permutations Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #38 –
Quote from: Professer E – on
Apparently the doggies lost the game,  we didn't win it.
Just like the way the Ferals were the 2nd most pathetic team in the AFL last week, behind CheatsFC!

Be careful posting this stuff, you'll get labelled a conspiracy theorist! :o
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 2 2022 Post Game Permutations Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #39 –
So much to like in the first half, so much to dislike in the second.

I'm not a fan of Setterfield and probably never will be, twice he ran past a Dogs player with the ball preferring to guard space rather than tackle, his up & under kicking is hard to cop too.

I've never been a Plowman convert and as soon as he came onto the ground, we seemed to go to poop. This was partly to do with the inbalance created by McDonald going off but also because Plowman falters under pressure.

LOB tried hard but seems just that fraction behind the play and I can't see him being kept at the club because of it, the bluff & tackle on Richards was superb though.

On the positive side, there are a handful of players who are under the microscope this year and in principle, are playing for their future. McGovern, Fisher, Pittonet, Fogarty, Newman ....... even Owies, all have had good & bad times recently but there is a much more noticeable level of desperation from them. Doesn't mean they will all go the full distance but at least they have all bought in to the attitude & game-plan.

I was genuinely concerned in the second half, they came hard at us and the strong & assertive manner in which we played in the first half virtually disappeared. Had the Dogs been more accurate from their set shots, they would have run over us in the last.

We can thank small mercies they didn't all the while being mindful that a dominant first half does not always win you games against the good teams.

Hope they learn from the fluctuating fortunes in this match, use the 10-day break to freshen up and then really put the Hawks to the sword.
"The Other Teams Can Rot In Hell"

Re: AFL Rd 2 2022 Post Game Permutations Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #40 –
Carlton fans when we kick 6 goals 18 behinds- forget this rubbish about "if only we'd kicked straight" we were outplayed and crap kicking was a result of the pressure we put ourselves under

Carlton fans when we win but the opponent kicked 13 goals 12 behinds- If they'd kicked straight we would have lost that. We were lucky to win that.

Re: AFL Rd 2 2022 Post Game Permutations Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #41 –
We won the first half by 5 goals,  they won the second by 3.

The first half was frenetic.  We got tired,  lost some structure and in some ways reverted to Carlton of recent times.   They also seemed to tighten up and change a couple of things.

Yes,  we held on, but if we had more petrol in the tank at the end, we possibly wouldn't have used so much in getting such a big lead (did it get out to 7 goals) in the first place.   Who knows what would have happened.

A great aspect is that the workload is being shared - last week it wasn't the task forwards, this week it was, the mids have discussed.   Hard for opposition to plan for.

Re: AFL Rd 2 2022 Post Game Permutations Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #42 –
Quote from: deags – on
Carlton fans when we kick 6 goals 18 behinds- forget this rubbish about "if only we'd kicked straight" we were outplayed and crap kicking was a result of the pressure we put ourselves under

Carlton fans when we win but the opponent kicked 13 goals 12 behinds- If they'd kicked straight we would have lost that. We were lucky to win that.
Yep, always easy to slap it down instead  of calling it what it was…a good win against quality opposition
The Ox is slow but I'm running out of patience.
 

Re: AFL Rd 2 2022 Post Game Permutations Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #43 –
It was a very good win when you consider that all of the media experts were correctly tipping the Dogs to win.

The thing that really stands out to me is the maturity, resilience & attitude amongst the group, even though the Dogs threw everything at us in the second half we did not wilt and go into our shells like we would have last year under Teague.

Was it a case of fatigue getting the better of us or just that a more seasoned & experienced GF team flicked their own switch in the second half ?? Maybe a little bit of both.

It did became an ugly slog in the last because we were able to control the tempo better if it was played like that even though some genuine glitches in our game-plan and/or players work ethic were exposed by the Dogs. This will certainly be of great benefit to the coaches in their approach to player development & the teaching sessions.

It would have been an utter tragedy had we lost last night after that dominant & incredible first half.

However, this well deserved win cannot gloss over these underlying issues because the quicker we can identify them and in turn, rectify them, then we can dramatically improve our weekly performances to such a level that we will become a very serious contender.  

We have improved, there is no doubting that, but we cannot get ahead of ourselves and starting talking Top 4, GF's or premierships, if we are brutally honest, we have done nothing of substance since 1995. We have a lot of ground to make-up after being in the footy wilderness for so long plus plenty of payback victories against some of the other clubs who have ridiculed us for years. 

I know its an old adage but it has to be ONE WEEK AT A TIME !!!
"The Other Teams Can Rot In Hell"

Re: AFL Rd 2 2022 Post Game Permutations Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #44 –
A disciplined game plan executed by us until they changed their plan and for the first time in 20 years we then adapted our play to compensate. It took a quarter to do it in which time they came at us but we came out on top.
Huge coaching win. I’m on the Vosswagen! 👍