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At the 2022 Federal Election which party will receive your first preference?

LNP
[ 7 ] (26.9%)
ALP
[ 8 ] (30.8%)
Greens
[ 2 ] (7.7%)
One Nation
[ 0 ] (0%)
United Australia Party
[ 3 ] (11.5%)
Other
[ 2 ] (7.7%)
None of the Above
[ 4 ] (15.4%)

Total Members Voted: 26

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Reply #330 –
Quote from: Mav – on
No doubt young crims are a problem but there's plenty who aren't easily identified as African. AFAIK, Squizzy Taylor, the Morans and the others in the Carlton Crew, and Carl Williams weren't black. Italians and Vietnamese had issues in times past but as time goes on those transcultural problems have mostly receded. Does the black skin make an aggravated burglary more terrifying?
It does when they mimick the violence that
forces folk of all colours to live in gated estates with 24 hour security and think about having weapons in the home like they do in South Africa.
I don't want that for my daughter who lives in the western suburbs and has to experience that lifestyle. Her husband works rotating shifts as does she and is often alone in the evening.
These kids come in large gangs and that's why it's more terrifying, can't see Carl or the Moran's having much interest in young folk from Caroline Springs unless they like Ikea furniture...

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Reply #331 –
Well, I knew a guy (not a close friend but we'd chat when we crossed paths) who was gunned down in the street after a Mafia guy took a contract out on him. And I knew another guy whose father was gunned down in the driveway of his family's house, again a Mafia hit. I guess terror can come in all forms. Are hitmen with guns less terrifying than black youths in a group? Fortunately, I never really had any run ins with organised crime. My closest shave was when I attended a training session at Princes Park. I was up the Legends Stand end and as I was by myself I thought I'd sit next to a group of guys in suits hoping to hear comments about the players. That was until one of them got up and approached me to ask me to move away. I don't know why I didn't tell him to rack off, but I'm pretty sure it was Mark Moran so I'm glad I didn't. Something about him made me not only get up but then ask whether I'd gone far enough before I sat down. Years later, I read in the papers that the Carlton Crew would get together at Princes Park to discuss their business. D'oh!

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Reply #332 –
Quote from: LP – on
Firstly, I'm not sure where you get that from, I haven't seen it implied or otherwise unequivocally stated.
You are taking the p!55 right?
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

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Reply #333 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
I'm a neutral with regard the two major parties and both have their pros and cons.
I'm just surprised Plibersek would go the man so early on after Albo said he wanted
everyone playing the ball and especially when you have a husband who was found guilty of drug dealing and spent time in the big house and target a bloke like Dutton who was a copper in his previous life.
Going to be hard for Albo when your deputy has the undeveloped mind of a 12 year old...

The country just got rid of one ...but kenneally will still hang around like a bad small and that bloody annoying accent

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Reply #334 –
Quote from: Mav – on
Well, I knew a guy (not a close friend but we'd chat when we crossed paths) who was gunned down in the street after a Mafia guy took a contract out on him. And I knew another guy whose father was gunned down in the driveway of his family's house, again a Mafia hit. I guess terror can come in all forms. Are hitmen with guns less terrifying than black youths in a group? Fortunately, I never really had any run ins with organised crime. My closest shave was when I attended a training session at Princes Park. I was up the Legends Stand end and as I was by myself I thought I'd sit next to a group of guys in suits hoping to hear comments about the players. That was until one of them got up and approached me to ask me to move away. I don't know why I didn't tell him to rack off, but I'm pretty sure it was Mark Moran so I'm glad I didn't. Something about him made me not only get up but then ask whether I'd gone far enough before I sat down. Years later, I read in the papers that the Carlton Crew would get together at Princes Park to discuss their business. D'oh!
Whilst I don't condone the behaviour, mafia and bikie types generally do harm to other mafia or bikie types. They deal out justice their way and I kind of "respect" it.
Youths with guns and knives are 100% more scary as far as Im concerned because they are indiscriminate and are happy to do harm to you or I for a packet of smokes, a mobile phone, your car etc.
I grew living in the same street as the president of a prominent OMCG. They guys congregated at the house for some pretty wild parties. As kids we marvelled at the roar of the Harleys, they always gave us a wave and rode slowly passed us. One night, some drunken mates of the Prez ran into my old mans tip truck parked out the front damaging the fuel tank. The next morning, a tow rolled up, took it away and it came back that afternoon repaired.
Our street was as safe as houses, no burglaries or trouble while they were living there.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

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Reply #335 –
Organised crims aren't necessarily disciplined and smart. Often, they're combustible psychopaths. The guy I knew who was gunned down had the misfortune of allowing a guy to do some minor work on his shop in return for some free product from time to time. But it became obvious this was an extortion racket as the guy then demanded money and returned for more after being paid a grand to get rid of him. He was then thrown out of the shop.

A crime writer in The Age IIRC wrote a really eye-opening story about Jason Moran after he was gunned down. Apparently there'd been a minor traffic dispute and Moran had followed the other driver to a red light. As the reporter noted, the victim was probably feeling pretty safe when a guy wearing a Zegna suit got out of a Merc, but he hadn't noticed that he was carrying a baseball bat. The guy and his car were smacked around pretty good and the victim reported it to the police. The police took a statement from him but the police had to advise him that the perp was none other than Jason Moran of the notorious Moran family. Not surprisingly, the victim decided he didn't want to take it any further.

Then you have Jane Thurgood-Dove, a humble mother of 3, who was gunned down in her driveway with her kids in the car by a hitman who got the wrong person.
 

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Reply #336 –
There is exceptions to every rule, but i tend to agree with the 'bikies/mafia' looking after themselves.
There are rules, and they follow them as best they can.

I have not had any contact with apex and the rest of the african gangs, but know people who live in the area and its a case of nobody is safe. Random attacks.

Thats not suggesting i agree with going around and shooting everyone of colour, but there has to be some kind of justice because currently there seems to be none.

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Reply #337 –
Quote from: capcom – on
plibersek .... always been a two faced nobody

At least she has the balls to say what most people think about Voldemort’s doppelgänger!
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

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Reply #338 –
Quote from: Mav – on
What? Dutton has a decent background in politics does he? From where I stand it's a decently indecent background.
Dutton has been a polly for a long time and I'll correct you a bit with the fact he was a drug squad member before he moved to the sexual offenders dept in his Policing career. I'm not a fan of all his work especially as health minister where he was terrible but he does acknowledge African gang violence in Melbourne unlike the present Vic Premier so I will give him a tick for that.
Obviously his most controversial role has been that of immigration minister and in particular his hardline approach to detention and border protection...I didnt agree with his treatment of the Murugappan family who were deserving of staying in Australia but overall I am in favour of strong border protection and a thorough vetting process of immigrants.
I dont want a Sarah Hanson Young approach of anything and anyone can be welcomed in without proper checks....
Is Dutton a good fit for leader of the LP going forward and potentially Australia?....probably not.

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Reply #339 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
I'll have a guess at the result, Libs to lose 7-8 seats and lose Government.
In the Senate be a bit more of a mess with Labor getting some help from the Greens who may add another senator but still needing the support of the following,
Lambie, Hansen and Nick X.
Reckon Lambie and Hansen might have a mate each in the Senate but NickX will be on his lonesome.
So Albo to win but pushing his ideas through the Senate might need some work with the independents.Tough times ahead with  inflation, interest rates, wars etc and I reckon one term might be all Albo gets ,not a great time to govern imho.

I've been meaning to comment on this post and your courage in making such a bold prediction EB.  Even the seasoned poltical analysts wouldn't have been brave enough to make such a call.

So, how have we ended up?

Labor has won 75 seats and is leading in Macnamara by 22% so there’s little doubt that Labor will be a majority government.  On the way, the Liberals lost 10 seats to Labor, 6 to independents, and 2 to the Greens.  Labor lost one seat to an independent (but there's a question mark over that candidate's eligibility.

The Senate still has a way to go but at this stage the Liberals will have 29 senators, Labor will have 26, the Greens will have 12, the Nationals will have 3 (plus their Queensland LNP senators counted as Liberals), the Lambie Network will have 2, PHON will have two, David Pocock will be a senator and UAP could have 1 senator.

Nick Xenophon didn’t get any traction, and I think that was predictable given his past history and failure to deliver on anything.
David Pocock’s election is a bit of a surprise but probably not if you live in Canberra.

So, what does that all mean?

The Teal independents will have virtually no influence; Labor won’t need them in the House of Reps and they aren’t represented in the Senate.

Labor won’t have a majority in the Senate but will be able to pass legislation with the support of the Greens.  A quick look at David Pocock’s platform suggests that he would support most government legislation.

Of course, Labor could also pass legislation with the support of the Liberals. The Nationals, PHON, Lambie Network and UAP senators, and David Pocock, will be largely irrelevant.

While the Teal independents played a major role in consigning the happy clapper's pitiful excuse for a government to the rubbish bin of history, they will have limited opportunities to have an impact in the House of Reps.  It will be interesting to see how their impotence plays out at the next election.  Of course, independents Andrew Wilkie, Helen Haines and Zali Steggall all won their seats with increased majorities despite not being in a position to influence the previous government.

Actually, I'm very pleased that Zali Steggall was re-elected; anyone who can end the political career of the Budgie Smuggler deserves a couple of terms in Parliament  :)
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

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Reply #340 –
Quote from: DJC – on
I've been meaning to comment on this post and your courage in making such a bold prediction EB.  Even the seasoned poltical analysts wouldn't have been brave enough to make such a call.

So, how have we ended up?

Labor has won 75 seats and is leading in Macnamara by 22% so there’s little doubt that Labor will be a majority government.  On the way, the Liberals lost 10 seats to Labor, 6 to independents, and 2 to the Greens.  Labor lost one seat to an independent (but there's a question mark over that candidate's eligibility.

The Senate still has a way to go but at this stage the Liberals will have 29 senators, Labor will have 26, the Greens will have 12, the Nationals will have 3 (plus their Queensland LNP senators counted as Liberals), the Lambie Network will have 2, PHON will have two, David Pocock will be a senator and UAP could have 1 senator.

Nick Xenophon didn’t get any traction, and I think that was predictable given his past history and failure to deliver on anything.
David Pocock’s election is a bit of a surprise but probably not if you live in Canberra.

So, what does that all mean?

The Teal independents will have virtually no influence; Labor won’t need them in the House of Reps and they aren’t represented in the Senate.

Labor won’t have a majority in the Senate but will be able to pass legislation with the support of the Greens.  A quick look at David Pocock’s platform suggests that he would support most government legislation.

Of course, Labor could also pass legislation with the support of the Liberals. The Nationals, PHON, Lambie Network and UAP senators, and David Pocock, will be largely irrelevant.

While the Teal independents played a major role in consigning the happy clapper's pitiful excuse for a government to the rubbish bin of history, they will have limited opportunities to have an impact in the House of Reps.  It will be interesting to see how their impotence plays out at the next election.  Of course, independents Andrew Wilkie, Helen Haines and Zali Steggall all won their seats with increased majorities despite not being in a position to influence the previous government.

Actually, I'm very pleased that Zali Steggall was re-elected; anyone who can end the political career of the Budgie Smuggler deserves a couple of terms in Parliament  :)

DJ, couldn't stand Abbott as I have said previously, his religious mania with regards abortion and banning drugs used for serious illness for women was horrendous self centered politics.
Brother Abbott we are well rid off in Parliament...

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Reply #342 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
DJ, couldn't stand Abbott as I have said previously, his religious mania with regards abortion and banning drugs used for serious illness for women was horrendous self centered politics.
Brother Abbott we are well rid off in Parliament...

I’m all for greater diversity in our Parliaments; they should reflect our population.  However, that shouldn’t extend to decision making based on personal religious beliefs.

At least we are largely spared the hypocrisy of politicians praying over preventable tragedies.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

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Reply #343 –
Quote from: DJC – on
I’m all for greater diversity in our Parliaments; they should reflect our population.  However, that shouldn’t extend to decision making based on personal religious beliefs.

At least we are largely spared the hypocrisy of politicians praying over preventable tragedies.
Then you have the other side of it with these Church entities that operate as charities but in reality are profitable business ventures but don't pay tax and get politicians as members to keep it that way..

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Reply #344 –
How is the "Church" of Scientology even a Church?