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Re: AFL Rd 5 2022 Post Game Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #90 –
Was at a family lunch and was told the result.  Got home, watched the first half and then last 10 minutes.

I remember the good old days of a couple of seasons ago where we were having so many 'honorable losses' - not losing by more than 5 goals and being competitive.  Plenty of complaints on this board and a lot of feedback about the club.

Now we have 'honorable wins' (is there such a thing, and have they been honorable?) and they are barely acceptable.

I get that we don't need the stress of the last quarter every week.  I get that we are in positions where we 'should' be able to win more convincingly.  I get that we all want constant improvement in the team.

Voss has been coach for five-six months.  It is going to take a little while to adjust, get everyone on the same page and do it for 4 quarters consistently.  In the meantime, take the wins, be happy - knowing there is improvement to come.

Re: AFL Rd 5 2022 Post Game Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #91 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
You must have behind the lady with the big hat 🤣 PP comes through hard in the FP , think it was Newnes who froze and watched him spin around and handpass to Boak I think it was and goaled.
Weitering had a handpass smothered which was PP again, another Carlton player(can't remember who) didn't get involved when he should have and pretended to follow his man when he should have chased PP because Weitering was off balance and PP snapped a goal.
In a separate incident Setterfield dropped a sitter on the wing because either he is a lousy mark or he thought he was going to get hit and imo it's the latter because he has form for doing it previously.
PP did have a run in the ruck and we were lucky he didn't kick another goal when a lazy Pittonet couldn't be bothered picking him up. Imo PP had a real influence after half time as did Butters and it was their contested footy and our lack of contesting/chasing that contributed. Losing intensity is a pretty way of saying we played bruise free non contested footy.
Did the same with Hawthorn after half time too..imho .
Re : Parks..very ordinary player imho and his lack of nous will cost us games...same with Setterfield whose disposal and brain lapses with regards attack on the footy will cost us also.

No, I was sitting next to the lady who kept calling out "Man up!"  ::)

Powell-Pepper had 10 effective disposals for the game, kicked two goals and had one goal assist and I suppose that's OK for a forward and part time ruck.  The handball smother that resulted in a goal should have been a free to Weitering for high contact.  Newnes was on the far side of his opponent and couldn't get near to Powell-Pepper.  Weitering was out of the contest.  The goal assist was to Boak when Powell-Pepper gave Newnes the slip, effectively using Weitering as a screen.  His other goal came from lurking at the back of the contest and Hewett was too far away to tackle or smother.  As I said in another post, Powell-Pepper's strength makes him a difficult match up for our smaller defenders but he was ineffective around the ground and it was Burton, Butters, Byrne-Jones, Houston and Boak who kept Port in the game.

Setterfield did drop a mark on the wing not too far from my seat.  No-one was in cooee and he recovered and delivered the ball to a teammate.  Everyone drops marks they would normally take.

Bruise free footy is not having 25 more contested possessions than the opposition, nor is it losing the tackle count by three but having 6 more tackles inside 50. 

We only won the contested possessions against Hawthorn by 10 and had 11 more tackles and twice as many tackles inside 50.

It's not lack of intensity that is letting our opposition get back into games.  It's a breakdown in our system transitioning out of defence and, perhaps, overconfidence in the ability of our forwards to score from pretty average forward 50 entries.  Remember too that our second and third tall defenders have played 30 games between them.  In fact, Port's players averaged 24 more games than ours and their average age is 12 months older.

Despite his inexperience and less than brilliant games last season, Parks put in a good defensive effort and made some telling spoils.  His form in the magoos has been excellent and I think that he is a credit to our development coaches.  He may not be as dependable as Plowman, but he does get to contests and makes a good fist of it when he gets there.

The bottom line is that we're 4-1 with a new coach, brand new game plan and without some of our better players on the park.  Not to mention the hangover of some inept coaching and a culture where losing was the norm.  We've now beaten one of last year's grand finalists, a preliminary finalist and two of our long term nemises, and played some brilliant footy on the way.  Of course there's room for improvement but there's plenty of potential to do so.

It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: AFL Rd 5 2022 Post Game Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #92 –
SPP would surely be high in PA B&F votes for Rnd 5, will be interesting to see post season!

Just like Chol the week before, those bullocking types are very influential against us without being individually dominant.

We play like a bunch of skinny kids when the opposition get up momentum.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 5 2022 Post Game Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #93 –
Guys, I know we are impatient, but here is some real food for thought.  Harry and Charlie have only played about 50 games sharing a forwardline thanks to both of them having had lengthy spells off over the journey.

Its arguable that everything is very different to how it has been previously thanks to this minute fact.

Our sheer dumb luck robbed us of an opportunity to rise earlier.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 5 2022 Post Game Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #94 –
Quote from: LP – on
SPP would surely be high in PA B&F votes for Rnd 5, will be interesting to see post season!

Just like Chol the week before, those bullocking types are very influential against us without being individually dominant.

We play like a bunch of skinny kids when the opposition get up momentum.
I felt SPP was a catalyst for Ports comeback and as you suggest it's his physical bullocking work that intimidated a few of our players and that he seemed to  go to work without much interference from our players.

Re: AFL Rd 5 2022 Post Game Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #95 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
I felt SPP was a catalyst for Ports comeback and as you suggest it's his physical bullocking work that intimidated a few of our players and that he seemed to  go to work without much interference from our players.

There were several incidents that I noticed during the game of him just shrugging off attempted tackles by our guys. This must surely have inspired his teammates.
Reality always wins in the end.
 

Re: AFL Rd 5 2022 Post Game Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #96 –
Quote from: tonyo – on
But in reality, the Tigers and Port are cooked - one was on the slide from halfway through last year, and the other hasn't won a single game this year.

Again, don't get me wrong, stoked to be 4-1 - but I can't help thinking if there was 5 more minutes in 3 of those games, we'd be 1-4.

The important thing is to continue improving so that when we do get into a big game against a serious contender,  we give ourselves a shot.  At least this year we re in the mix, as opposed to the last 8 or so seasons.

Port and Hawthorn had a long time in the last qtr when they got within a kick and couldn't do it. Richmond aren't what they used to be but they are still a good side, probably a finals. Dogs aren't bad either. Seems Hawthorn are pretty good too.

Re: AFL Rd 5 2022 Post Game Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #97 –
We are the only side to face a Richmond that had Dusty in it.

Whilst he didnt have a blinder, he was key to them being in front at half time against us.

"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 5 2022 Post Game Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #98 –
Quote from: LP – on
SPP would surely be high in PA B&F votes for Rnd 5, will be interesting to see post season!

Just like Chol the week before, those bullocking types are very influential against us without being individually dominant.

We play like a bunch of skinny kids when the opposition get up momentum.

Yes, there’s no doubt that Powell-Pepper was in Port’s best.  What I’m disputing is the notion that our players developed a fear of him in the second half.

The reality is that we went in just as hard in the second half as we did in the first half, whether or not Powell-Pepper was in the vicinity.  The footy we played in the last 10 minutes was as hard as a cat’s head and Powell-Pepper was still on the ground, even if he had no impact.

Endeavour and effort is not the issue, it’s poor execution and lower efficiency that is letting our opponents back into the game.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: AFL Rd 5 2022 Post Game Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #99 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
I felt SPP was a catalyst for Ports comeback and as you suggest it's his physical bullocking work that intimidated a few of our players and that he seemed to  go to work without much interference from our players.
Against GC I warned pre-match we did not really have a match up for Chol, to me that was obvious, and while I didn't see SPP's influence coming I really should have!

Harford describes teams that play like us, that is a bit timid and lightweight around stoppages, as "skinnies". In the first few rounds I thought Cerra and the new Kennedy might resolve this issue, Hewett has helped but when Cripps is out Hewett is on his lonesome. Cerra and Kennedy lift when they are in 3rd string roles, not one of the frontline troops. They need the shield that Cripps provides, but then again who wouldn't like that protection?

Of course, we could develop a bit of a nastier streak and take out some of the opposition skinnies, make them pay the toll for a the fleet-footed attack on the footy, but it's not in our team's nature. However, it's something the current coach did on a regular basis, I doubt he'll put up very much longer with blokes who just jog behind the chain of play!

Perhaps we should have bit the bullet earlier and give Charlie a run on the ball while we had momentum against us, he is more than useful in traffic, as is SoJ. Perhaps last weekend is the downside of having SoJ 2nd ruck because he is then unavailable to rove or tag someone like Chol or SPP. Gov coming back will hopefully make a big difference, but this week will be tough against Freo.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 5 2022 Post Game Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #100 –
AFLCA votes:

9 - Charlie Curnow (CARL)
8 - Sam Walsh (CARL)
7 - George Hewett (CARL)
2 - Zak Butters (PA)
2 - Harry McKay (CARL)
2 - Connor Rozee (PA)
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: AFL Rd 5 2022 Post Game Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #101 –
Im guessing that if we were the issue in the second half, then we mustnt have been the issue in the first half, or maybe SPP was the issue in the first half and he was at fault for not giving 4 quarters?

Just throwing it out there, that we arent the only part of that equation.  He may have had a rocked fired up him, and Butters as both were crap to half time. 
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 5 2022 Post Game Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #102 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
Im guessing that if we were the issue in the second half, then we mustnt have been the issue in the first half, or maybe SPP was the issue in the first half and he was at fault for not giving 4 quarters?

Just throwing it out there, that we arent the only part of that equation.  He may have had a rocked fired up him, and Butters as both were crap to half time. 
If we were good after half time then Port must have been brilliant and same with the Hawks.....Port kicked three or four behinds first up in the last quarter and could have stolen the game.
We owe our tall forwards for this win IMO...both Charlie and Harry were able to lift when needed for goals and big marks.
SPP was a catalyst imo...not the bread and butter component like Butters, Boak etc  but I thought he had real influence and authority when he had the ball in the 3rd quarter and seemed to have a lot of space to work in and as Cookie pointed out our tackling seemed feeble and was shrugged off.
Credit to Hewett who played a consistent game and as LP pointed out picked up the heavy lifting slack created by Cripps absence and a few of his teammates dropping off their contested game.
You take the 4 points but there are areas for improvement and certain players with question marks given its happened three weeks in a row vs average opposition..

Re: AFL Rd 5 2022 Post Game Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #103 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
If we were good after half time then Port must have been brilliant and same with the Hawks.....Port kicked three or four behinds first up in the last quarter and could have stolen the game.
We owe our tall forwards for this win IMO...both Charlie and Harry were able to lift when needed for goals and big marks.
SPP was a catalyst imo...not the bread and butter component like Butters, Boak etc  but I thought he had real influence and authority when he had the ball in the 3rd quarter and seemed to have a lot of space to work in and as Cookie pointed out our tackling seemed feeble and was shrugged off.
Credit to Hewett who played a consistent game and as LP pointed out picked up the heavy lifting slack created by Cripps absence and a few of his teammates dropping off their contested game.
You take the 4 points but there are areas for improvement and certain players with question marks given its happened three weeks in a row vs average opposition..


Hmmm, maybe I wasnt clear.   SPP was really good after half time, so we cant be responsible for him being both good and bad in the same game is the point I am making.

"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 5 2022 Post Game Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #104 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
Hmmm, maybe I wasnt clear.  SPP was really good after half time, so we cant be responsible for him being both good and bad in the same game is the point I am making.
He was good, because his work inside F50 meant players like Butters, Burton and Boak could hang back and not push so deep, it leaves them with run in their legs when they know they have someone deep at either end to do the heavy lifting, and Rozee was icing.

Kennedy was playing the SPP type role for us in the first couple of rounds, but has gone off the boil a bit, is that because we've asked him to tag?

Of course in AFL you can only do that if you have team-mates prepared to sacrifice, because AFL opposition will always try to make you accountable. But if everyone starts expecting someone else to sacrifice for them things will go sour pretty quickly.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"