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Re: Coach Eyes v Fan Goggles

Reply #15 –
Max Ramsden from the Sandy Dragons will get picked up in the mid season rookie draft as a ruckman of the future, good athlete at 202cm and while a journeyman has short term appeal if we want a ruckman for the future he would be the way to go.
Will Hayes seems likely though given his VFL form and we would probably need two picks if thats the case as I cant see the club ignoring Hayes form...
Jack Hannath ex Freo now with Glenelg is probably a reasonable player for that short term fix.....

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Reply #16 –
EB what sort of role would Hayes likely fill? Is he purely a midfielder? If so, hard to see how he breaks into the team when you've got Cripps, Walsh, Cerra, Hewett, Kennedy etc. Or is he more of an outside sort that could play on the wings? Even then, we seem to have a number of options for that as well....question is whether he's a better option than everything we've already got?

Where we seem to be short of options is key defender and ruck. Support for Weitering is basically Young, McDonald and McGovern. If I'm a betting man then it's odds on that McDonald and McGovern will get injured again before the season is out....leaving only Young. And he might now be required to play in the ruck if Pittonet is out for an extended period.

I would've thought those would be the two positions we'd be addressing at the mid-season draft? Even last year, Boyd was a player where we already seemed to have enough options and selecting him seemed strange at the time?

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Reply #17 –
I think Hayes thrives at VFL level because his extreme aerobic capacity sees him playing midfield and running hard all day long.

But at AFL level he's a bit small and light and not so fast relative to others, so the Dogs played him as a small forward, that took away Hayes principle weapon which is the hard running and he had no speed advantage.

Hayes might be a backup alternative to Owies or Fisher, if we allow him to get up the field, but then we have blokes like Stocker, Carroll and Honey languishing in the VFL and I think they have more AFL tricks.
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Reply #18 –
We played Sat night, no Pitto news, Filth played late yesterday afternoon and gave their fans an update on the Reg Grundy before lunch today.
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Reply #19 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Max Ramsden from the Sandy Dragons will get picked up in the mid season rookie draft as a ruckman of the future, good athlete at 202cm and while a journeyman has short term appeal if we want a ruckman for the future he would be the way to go.
Will Hayes seems likely though given his VFL form and we would probably need two picks if thats the case as I cant see the club ignoring Hayes form...
Jack Hannath ex Freo now with Glenelg is probably a reasonable player for that short term fix.....

Not sure how many spots we have, but unless i am mistaken, with Jones off the list that has us with at least one vacancy to fill, and we may have scope for a second if Pitto ends up an LTI. 
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

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Reply #20 –
Quote from: WASurfer – on
EB what sort of role would Hayes likely fill? Is he purely a midfielder? If so, hard to see how he breaks into the team when you've got Cripps, Walsh, Cerra, Hewett, Kennedy etc. Or is he more of an outside sort that could play on the wings? Even then, we seem to have a number of options for that as well....question is whether he's a better option than everything we've already got?

Where we seem to be short of options is key defender and ruck. Support for Weitering is basically Young, McDonald and McGovern. If I'm a betting man then it's odds on that McDonald and McGovern will get injured again before the season is out....leaving only Young. And he might now be required to play in the ruck if Pittonet is out for an extended period.

I would've thought those would be the two positions we'd be addressing at the mid-season draft? Even last year, Boyd was a player where we already seemed to have enough options and selecting him seemed strange at the time?
Surfie, I'm not sold on Hayes either as I think too he is on the small side but sometimes form and local knowledge over rides need and Nick Austin like his ex Dogs players ie Boyd, Young....
Blake Schlensog is a player who could fill a need as a Key defender and can also play as a swingman and like Young can run in the ruck given he is 199cm. You would probably know more about him than me given he plays for Sth Fremantle and has been on the fringes of being drafted as a mature ager in recent times due to his good WAFL form.
If Hayes did get picked up I think he would play on a wing which has been a problem area in that Ed Langdon type of role where he can get 30 possies a game and link up from half back to half forward with his hard running which is what Langdon is now famous for.

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Reply #21 –
How is Jesse Glass-McKasker travelling in the VFL?
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

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Reply #22 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
Not sure how many spots we have, but unless i am mistaken, with Jones off the list that has us with at least one vacancy to fill, and we may have scope for a second if Pitto ends up an LTI. 
IIRC we had the option of taking 1 more player previously, but chose to hold off for the MSD.

Any LTI could add another spot on top of that.

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Reply #23 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
How is Jesse Glass-McKasker travelling in the VFL?
I think he's been quite good, doing a SoJ type role for the VFL side, but hard to see him get a run ahead of or besides SoJ, Young or OMac.
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Reply #24 –
Begs the question;

If and it is a big if, if the AFL changed the vaccine mandate would we approach Jones or has he burnt his bridge with our club?
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Reply #25 –
Quote from: LP – on
Begs the question;

If and it is a big if, if the AFL changed the vaccine mandate would we approach Jones or has he burnt his bridge with our club?
Caro said he wont be allowed back anytime soon as the AFL wont be changing their Vaccine requirements.....another club would draft him given he is no longer a listed player and have to enter one of the drafts.
Caro suggested Carlton would want compensation if he was to return via another club and it would be a awkward situation.

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Reply #26 –
Quote from: LP – on
Begs the question;

If and it is a big if, if the AFL changed the vaccine mandate would we approach Jones or has he burnt his bridge with our club?
I think he 'retired'. As a retired player, your club can not redraft you via the MSD.

Its basically to stop top clubs banking an older player for the second half of the year.

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Reply #27 –
On Jones regardless of whether we can or cannot, would we if we could?

PS; My thought is no.

What I've seen already from Gov tells me no more chaos footballers in the back half, I'm not even happy with Weiters punching the ball so much in 2022!
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Reply #28 –
Quote from: LP – on
On Jones regardless of whether we can or cannot, would we if we could?

PS; My thought is no.

What I've seen already from Gov tells me no more chaos footballers in the back half, I'm not even happy with Weiters punching the ball so much in 2022!

Would I? yes and no.
Footballing output? Yes.
Putting himself above the club? No.

People fixate on his negatives and overlook the positives. He is 200cm tall, can run, jump, mark, move and kick it like a 6 footer....and occasionally does someone you'd like to take back.....but so does everyone else. His skill set is rather unique and is an upgrade on any alternative we have.
People use to blame him for the run of goals....well he aint there and it still happens, so its not him.

But....He screwed us by retiring...after the draft IIRC...and put us in a terrible position, sure, he is allowed to choose whats best for him, but you want players who sacrifice themselves for the betterment of the team, and he did the opposite.

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Reply #29 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Would I? yes and no.
Footballing output? Yes.
Putting himself above the club? No.

People fixate on his negatives and overlook the positives. He is 200cm tall, can run, jump, mark, move and kick it like a 6 footer....and occasionally does someone you'd like to take back.....but so does everyone else. His skill set is rather unique and is an upgrade on any alternative we have.
People use to blame him for the run of goals....well he aint there and it still happens, so its not him.

But....He screwed us by retiring...after the draft IIRC...and put us in a terrible position, sure, he is allowed to choose whats best for him, but you want players who sacrifice themselves for the betterment of the team, and he did the opposite.
Agree...Jones back would really help us and free up a few players for other roles. Did I reads he won the most one on ones for a backman last season?