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Re: VFL 2022 Rd 13 Carlton vs Footscray

Reply #30 –
Quote from: Baggers – on
Bruce got a hold of Kempy a few times. Was surprised to see on the club's website that Stocker didn't get in the best players or rate a mention! In the heat it was Stocks and Cincotta who repelled a lot of attacks. Kempy's 2nd half was outstanding... really attacked the contest and backed himself, was terrific to see. A few selection headaches for the MC next week.
Watched the whole game and Bruce towled him up, kicking three on him in the first half. However as has been mentioned his second half was outstandind. The knock on against Bruce while on the groud was the highlight of the night.

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Reply #31 –
Bruce is a beast of a man and Kemp is more of an intercept - running off opponent type player. Probably his first assignment as a lock down defender ever. I thought he did tremendously well

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Reply #32 –
Once Weitering comes back in and Young continues to develop, can Kemp be the 3rd tall defender option? Given the propensity for McGovern and Marchbank to be injured all the time, Kemp probably goes past the likes of Williamson etc? Hopefully it one day becomes a "problem" where we struggle to squeeze guys into the best 22.

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Reply #33 –
I'm probably in the minority but I don't see it (yet) with Motlop EB,  doesn't look fast enough,   fit enough or intense enough for long enough.  It's not just about flashy goals as a high half forward -  Durdin, Fisher and Owies offer work rate and where they run to when the opposition try to transition from defence is a huge part of our game plan.
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Reply #34 –
Quote from: Professer E – on
Durdin, Fisher and Owies offer work rate and where they run to when the opposition try to transition from defence is a huge part of our game plan.
Even LoB and Cottrell play a very important role in this regard, it shapes where the ball goes and allows our D50 to focus on a smaller area. When that run goes missing, like when we had Motlop in, for all that he showed when he has the ball, we lost the work ethic when we didn't have it, and that was or can be very costly.

I thought Carroll was OK when he was in, he certainly worked up and down the ground, he just needs some polish and he will be a player.

Fans tend not to give work ethic much regard, they see what happens when the camera is on the player or when they have the footy and are blind to the rest. One of Owies big pluses is what he does when we do not have the footy, the guy runs goal line to goal line if required to do so, fans do not see it because they watch the footy or it's happening off camera. As a coach when you see that sort of work ethic you know you have something to work with, it's very hard for a coach to work with the opposite type of player, which is a passenger type player.

Motlop is just a kid, he stops and watches when he's not in range to win the footy, which creates space for the opposition to move into. He'll learn that eventually, but playing him now comes with that feature of his game as a cost.

For all our talent in the midfield, it's worthless if they start watching play evolve away from them, Walsh is so good because he's onto the next contest immediately and never stops moving.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: VFL 2022 Rd 13 Carlton vs Footscray

Reply #35 –
Quote from: Professer E – on
I'm probably in the minority but I don't see it (yet) with Motlop EB,  doesn't look fast enough,   fit enough or intense enough for long enough.  It's not just about flashy goals as a high half forward -  Durdin, Fisher and Owies offer work rate and where they run to when the opposition try to transition from defence is a huge part of our game plan.
I agree Prof he looks a tad slow compared to say Durdin and originally I thought it was just the pace of the AFL senior game compared to U18/WAFL footy but he actually lacks a yard of leg speed and needs to get fitter to get an edge to his game.
Has a bit of swagger about him as well which is fine if you can back it up on the field ala Weightman, Ginnivan, Higgins etc but as I said the Durdin, Owies, Fisher setup is the best we have had for a long while and I dont see any reason to change it other than injury.
The one small forward we probably lack is that high marking player like Liam Ryan, Weightman, Bolton etc who can take contested marks vs bigger players. I watched both Weightman and Rylee West last night and they both took good contested marks vs bigger opponents and if Jesse Motlop wanted to get ahead of one of the incumbent three small forwards then he would need to get that type of skillset as an advantage but at the moment he is a long way off the other three imho.

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Reply #36 –
I liked the look of Tyreece Leiu.  He is a big lump of a lad who looks like he means it when he lays a tackle. He was one of our train on players at the start of the year and I think he may be worth another try.

As for Motlop, he may not have got the pill but he certainly covered the ground trying to get to the opposition ball carrier.  In fact, the expression 'blue-asked fly' came to mind.  I think that his work rate is there but he needs to improve his positioning and reading of the play.

Kemp was on a hiding to nothing but he stuck to his guns and largely nullified Bruce in the second half.  Not a bad effort considering he was conceding 5cm, 9kg and 146 AFL games.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

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Reply #37 –
Quote from: WASurfer – on
Once Weitering comes back in and Young continues to develop, can Kemp be the 3rd tall defender option? Given the propensity for McGovern and Marchbank to be injured all the time, Kemp probably goes past the likes of Williamson etc? Hopefully it one day becomes a "problem" where we struggle to squeeze guys into the best 22.
I see that as Kemps role going forward if he wants to play senior footy, as I have said before he has the Jeremy Howe skillset as a work in progress and while no one will ever be at Howes level for marking ability I think Kemp can do the same intercept role and give us some long kicking depth out of defense and take those intercept marks.
McGovern will get the role when he returns but as you suggest he doesnt stay on the park for very long and Marchbank is about the unluckiest player I have seen after Lee Walker and Alex Johnson and both those players tried so hard to make it back but in the end had to give up and I fear Marchbank will be the same so Kemp is one player we should be giving games to so he fasttracks his development.

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Reply #38 –
If they were all fit and firing McGovern and Marchbank have Kemp comfortably covered as intercept defenders.

We are wasting Kemp, he has a set of skills / abilities that rivals most tall mids, it will be very interesting to see what we do with list management at the end of this season. I suspect clubs short of big bodied mids will quite possibly come after Kemp.

Fyfe back perhaps highlights this, the only like for like we've got is Cripps, so they probably run off each other, no point tagging them or rotating others. If we had Kemp in the mid rotation you could double team Fyfe with Cripps and Kemp, I think we did similar for a short time with SoJ a season or two back and it worked quite well, but at the moment SoJ is really needed elsewhere!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #39 –
Quote from: LP – on
If they were all fit and firing McGovern and Marchbank have Kemp comfortably covered as intercept defenders.

We are wasting Kemp, he has a set of skills / abilities that rivals most tall mids, it will be very interesting to see what we do with list management at the end of this season. I suspect clubs short of big bodied mids will quite possibly come after Kemp.

Fyfe back perhaps highlights this, the only like for like we've got is Cripps, so they probably run off each other, no point tagging them or rotating others. If we had Kemp in the mid rotation you could double team Fyfe with Cripps and Kemp, I think we did similar for a short time with SoJ a season or two back and it worked quite well, but at the moment SoJ is really needed elsewhere!

Where does this "Kemp as a midfielder" come from LP? 

He has never played as a midfielder and I'm not sure that he has the attributes for that role.  His strengths are his intercept marking, ability to run out of defence, and occasionally go forward and hit the scoreboard.

The McGovern experiment pushed Kemp a few runs down the ladder but, if we want a long term intercept defender, Kemp is the man.

It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

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Reply #40 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Where does this "Kemp as a midfielder" come from LP?
He'd spent his junior days as an intercept defender, but in the u18s carnival just prior to the draft he rose rapidly up the draft ratings as a result of being moved into the midfield to be a match winner, he also made a name for himself in the same carnival up forward for the first time in his career, drawing parallels between himself and Kouta, but of course he injured himself before being drafted.

I believe if we are lucky to find it our club even used photographs of Kemp with Kouta as part of the marketing spiel just after Kemp was drafted.

All the draft gossip was the kid was the next oversized midfielder in the making.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #41 –
#8
Brodie Kemp
Height: 192cm
Weight: 82kg
D.O.B: 01-05-2001

DRAFT ANALYSIS: "Bendigo's leading prospect, Kemp can play multiple roles and proved a game winner this year."

Leagues: Under 18s Championships, NAB League Boys

CLUBS looking for a player who can do just about anything need look no further than Brodie Kemp. The Bendigo Pioneers utility has long been touted as a player to watch come his draft year and he delivered in spades throughout 2019, particularly during the National Championships. The Geelong Grammarian spent most of his year plying his trade in school football, but unfortunately had his season cut short by an ACL tear in the same competition just before he was scheduled for a NAB League return. Still, his three-year elite pathway resume is as good as any draft prospect in this year's crop and Kemp's upside will make him even more desirable heading into November. His presence helped Bendigo to their first two wins of the year in the opening rounds, and his season-best 27-disposal game against South Australia was crowned by kicking the winning goal – a feat he very nearly repeated in the very next round. We knew he could make a difference, but Kemp’s true game-turning abilities really came to the fore this year and propelled him into top 10 draft contention post-championships. Injury means recency bias will work against him, as will a lack of recent combine results, but Kemp’s work throughout the year alone makes him a player worthy of such honours. Expect clubs higher up the ladder with the time to be able to wait on or develop high-end picks to roll the dice on the well-built mover if the draft order shuffles.

STRENGTHS:
Versatility
Clean hands
Overhead marking
Hurt factor
Athleticism

IMPROVEMENTS:
Endurance
Kicking at speed

The word on Kemp coming into the season was that he was destined for more midfield minutes after finding a home as a high-marking intercept defender in 2018, but he would end up having an impact just about everywhere. He adapted his kick-dominant game to become a handball-happy midfield extractor, was solid in his usual defensive post for Vic Country, and eventually a game winner for them up forward. Kemp’s success up forward lends to his key strengths of impact and overhead marking. He showed his worth with a huge contested mark in the dying seconds against South Australia to snare the winning goal, while doing the same twice in the last quarter against Western Australia to almost drag his side over the line. All were really game defining moments, and while Kemp does not win crazy amounts of the ball, he has important touches. Add to that a sub-three second 20m sprint and phenomenal agility and you have a prospect that can pull off just about anything. A good size to boot, Kemp would be a top 10 lock if not for his recent injury.

As close as Kemp is to being a complete player and as much as he can do it all on a football field, there remains room for improvement at this stage. Kemp’s disposal average of an even 20 across the NAB League and national carnival is quite impressive given the deep position he often took up either end of the ground, but if he is to play more permanently in the midfield, he can work on having bucket-loads of possessions more often. Perhaps the more pressing question is his kicking on the move, with Kemp’s delivery wavering at times. It seems a matter of consistency as his delivery out of the back half usually assured, but not quite perfect as it stands. When he has time and space he can deliver, but it is ironing out that kick at speed to take the next step. Another area Kemp was keen to improve on at the start of the season was his endurance after an okay 21.4 yo-yo test at the NAB League Fitness Testing Day, which he had made inroads towards improving. But after his knee injury he will need to build that back up and get match fitness in for him to have a real impact in his second season of AFL football. Overall a really talented prospect who has massive upside once he recovers and gets some runs into the legs.

DRAFT RANGE: 5-20
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: VFL 2022 Rd 13 Carlton vs Footscray

Reply #42 –
I recall the Kemp midfielder conversation pre draft. Pretty sure it was Shifter who touted him as having the goods as a mid but that he'd have to build his endurance. Ditto, Stocker. As an aside, it was terrific to see Kempy turn his impact around v the Dishlickers on Friday night after half time. Injected his customary boldness into his game... loved it.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: VFL 2022 Rd 13 Carlton vs Footscray

Reply #43 –
Quote from: Baggers – on
I recall the Kemp midfielder conversation pre draft. Pretty sure it was Shifter who touted him as having the goods as a mid but that he'd have to build his endurance. Ditto, Stocker. As an aside, it was terrific to see Kempy turn his impact around v the Dishlickers on Friday night after half time. Injected his customary boldness into his game... loved it.

Yes, folk talked about Kemp as a midfielder but he played as an intercept defender who occasionally went forward and kicked goals.

He showed great promise as a defender in the couple of games he played last season with his marking strength and his ability to run off his opponent.  The lack of talls has meant that he has been played out of position as a key forward and key defender in the VFL this season.  Hopefully, that will help his development but it’s not doing him any favours in terms of stringing together good performances and demanding a spot in the firsts.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!
 

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Reply #44 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Yes, folk talked about Kemp as a midfielder but he played as an intercept defender who occasionally went forward and kicked goals.
You are talking mostly about his pre-Development junior career, if I applied the same logic to Weitering he should be playing as a CHF, I think he still holds some sort of junior Mt Martha goal kicking record! He was so good as a junior CHF in about u15s/u16s he kicked a dozen of more goals for his team in just a half of football, then swapped sides to play for the opposition and kicked another bag of goals for the opposition after half-time, but we play him at fullback! ;)

The bulk of Kemps pre-draft season, the season that caught everyone's attention, he was played as a utility, he was all over the ground with the majority being on the ball or up forward. Prior to that he was a vanilla intercept defender who was going to be taken late in the draft. When he displayed his wares as a midfielder / forward he became a 1st round draft pick!

I don't see the point of denying this history, everyone can argue whether it is right or wrong as an assessment, but it's a bit ridiculous to somehow assert that it never happened.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"