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Re: AFL Rd 16 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #61 –
Quote from: JonDorotich – on
Agree that he’s way off the pace at the moment, but I do think he’ll be a player

Honey wasn't the problem last night - a little bit out of touch - being injured for 6-8 weeks and missing some of pre season wouldnt help a young player. He has the power and tools to be a player with continuity... just stay injury free young man.

Re: AFL Rd 16 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #62 –
Quote from: pinot – on
Honey wasn't the problem last night - a little bit out of touch - being injured for 6-8 weeks and missing some of pre season wouldnt help a young player. He has the power and tools to be a player with continuity... just stay injury free young man.
Someone played on Sinclair who was BOG imho, was that Honey?

Re: AFL Rd 16 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #63 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Someone played on Sinclair who was BOG imho, was that Honey?

Not sure who it was - I dont think we tagged anyone in their backline - we just played the swarm game. Sinclair had a half out of the box I don't think anyone could have done anything about it other than putting a hard tag.

Re: AFL Rd 16 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #64 –
Quote from: pinot – on
Not sure who it was - I dont think we tagged anyone in their backline - we just played the swarm game. Sinclair had a half out of the box I don't think anyone could have done anything about it other than putting a hard tag.
18 man defence means up and down running and also negating an opponent. For a man with supposed blistering speed, he showed nothing with disappoining. All I am saying is he doesn't look up to it for me at AFL level. I'm not suggesting for a minute Honey was THE problem on Friday night, many were down. I read somewhere testerday Cripps Walsh and Cerra had 4 tackles between them, Steele, Jones and Crouch had 24. Here endeth the lesson.
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Re: AFL Rd 16 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #65 –
our game plan ,there is no run and carry .no spread  just seem either to bomb it long into our crowded fwd line or my new fav (bomb) into wing where the opposition set up with quick ball movement into there open forward line .This was happening against collingwood . For us to be top 4 need to change game plan ,first thing recruit quick players especially from defence 

Re: AFL Rd 16 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #66 –
Quote from: pew2 – on
our game plan ,there is no run and carry .no spread  just seem either to bomb it long into our crowded fwd line or my new fav (bomb) into wing where the opposition set up with quick ball movement into there open forward line .This was happening against collingwood . For us to be top 4 need to change game plan ,first thing recruit quick players especially from defence 
You must be watching different games to me, when we are on, we move the ball and are as quick as anyone.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 16 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #67 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
You must be watching different games to me, when we are on, we move the ball and are as quick as anyone.
Indeed. But when we aren't on, we seem to forget about spreading and moving the ball quickly. We have to make sure we are on.
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Re: AFL Rd 16 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #68 –
Quote from: crashlander – on
Indeed. But when we aren't on, we seem to forget about spreading and moving the ball quickly. We have to make sure we are on.
Yes my friend, thats poor workrate not lack of leg or ball speed.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 16 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #69 –
Quote from: pinot – on
Honey wasn't the problem last night - a little bit out of touch - being injured for 6-8 weeks and missing some of pre season wouldnt help a young player. He has the power and tools to be a player with continuity... just stay injury free young man.

Spot on. The goods are there with Honey. There are no individual scapegoats for that disappointing effort against the Aints. Where was the ruthless tackle pressure of the previous game; the work rate; structures? Missing. Undisciplined, which resulted in panicky stuff.

Our best will beat anyone, but 1% less and we're in trouble. Still a way to go to learn consistency and composure.

Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 16 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #70 –
I agree Baggers.

The other element was that the Saints never really gave up their pressure - it almost looked like we relaxed a couple couple of times when we were in front, allowing the Saints to score again and stay in the game.

Have we changed our game a bit to have more players in defense when the ball is there to compensate for injured personnel?  If so, that shift would affect play up the ground when we get the ball?

Re: AFL Rd 16 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #71 –
Fatigue causes a loss of intensity and that can make players appear blasé, but it's impossible to play eight consecutive quarters of berserk football like we did starting with Freo a week earlier, and opponents know that.

FWIW, many specialist media commentators have been saying as much about Freo's game plan, they assert it's unsustainable.

We need to find a way to curtail the opposition run on and stay in games when we aren't ready to go berserk!

It's even worse when we waste opportunities. Fans blame the missed shots as the reason for the loss, but I'd assert while the misses do not help it can also be the unending ongoing high intensity that is actually causing those missed opportunities.

We might have looked relaxed, but it's more likely we were fatigued and as a result sluggish.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 16 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #72 –
 need to add speed to our defence ,eg tigers,saints and freo and ferals (coll) atm we have saad and doc who are both 26 /27,28 ,where are our young coming defenders stock not quick weitering kpd. Our recruiters need to find quick players who can carry and run another 2 saad would be handy (younger of course) 

Re: AFL Rd 16 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #73 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
18 man defence means up and down running and also negating an opponent. For a man with supposed blistering speed, he showed nothing with disappoining. All I am saying is he doesn't look up to it for me at AFL level. I'm not suggesting for a minute Honey was THE problem on Friday night, many were down. I read somewhere testerday Cripps Walsh and Cerra had 4 tackles between them, Steele, Jones and Crouch had 24. Here endeth the lesson.

In the case of Cripps and Walsh, it's hard to tackle when you have the ball.

Both teams had 61 tackles and Hewett, Kennedy and Docherty had 19 tackles between them; that wasn't where the game was lost.

Cerra was rusty and really should have tried to get into the game by laying a few tackles. 
"Negative waves are not helpful. Try saying something righteous and hopeful instead." Oddball

Re: AFL Rd 16 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #74 –
Bad kicking is bad football.  We continually put teamates under pressure, by playing uncomposed footy.  That was to simply get rid of it, rather than play the percentages.  Result, we turned it over a lot, and I would estimate that the Saints generated 80% of their scoring from turnovers be it forced by pressure, or unforced and just loose kicking into dangerous areas.

We played as poor a game as we have all season, and the result was that we kicked ourselves out of it, more than Saint Kilda beat us.  If we play that match 10 times over, I doubt we would lose it again.  Its a false negative.  St. Kilda played about as well as they could have hoped for, but in reality, they relied on us giving them back the ball a lot. 

Unfortunately, we accomodated. 

Cerra wasnt just rusty, he wasnt ready and shouldnt have played.  Was a bonafide witches hat.
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