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Reply #45 –
Good to see Kryg in the final finally. Top line player who can beat anyone on his day. Will turn the flip if given a chance and could easily win this grand slam.

Much of his critics don’t realise his capacity to inflict the chupacabra on his opponents. We shall soon see.

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Reply #46 –
Quote from: Mav – on
That’s an odd perspective.
Yet, in the context of all the players who commit to tennis 24x7 and battle their guts out each year for mediocre results, PaulP's perspective is quite relevant in a limited scope.

From a morality / social justice perspective, it might also have some currency.

But then, if Djoker won that is probably a spit in the face of social justice as well! I'm sure he'll use a win to justify his political position on vaccines and unrestrained freedoms for the separatist elite.

If Tomic cruised into a Grand Slam got some lucky breaks and made the final is he also deserving of success?

btw., I quite like watching Tennis with Kyrgios, but I admit I'm not a big tennis fan. However, I watched a bit of the girls final last night and the absence of grunting was heart warming, I could actually watch it! I also watched tennis when the likes of McEnroe, Connors or Lendl were piling on the animosity towards officials and opponents. I liked the theatre, and I side with Kyrgios when you hear them criticising Kyrgios' behaviour.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #47 –
Effort doesn’t top talent no matter how much we’d like to see fairytale endings. Many of us might like to fantasise about being a popstar while we sing in the shower but the only way most of us would make money out of singing is if those who are forced to listen to it pay us to stop singing.

The funny thing is that we’ve already seen an example of a player who dominated female tennis through sheer hard work, but rather than seeing this as a heartwarming story of the universe being just for a change it was seen as a perversion of the sport. Caroline Wozniacki held the World No. 1 ranking for 71 weeks and was a decent player. But she was a defensive grinder who owed her stay at the top to her fitness and the WTA’s decision to incentivise players through the ranking system to enter as many tournaments as possible. While other players like Serena dominated the Slams, Wozniacki filled her boots with lesser titles. It wasn’t until 2018 that Wozniacki finally won her maiden and only Slam, the Aussie Open. There was much whinging during her reign as the World No. 1 that players who focussed on peak competition at the Slams weren’t recognised in the rankings when they were clearly the best players in the world.

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Reply #48 –
After a flying start winning the first, Novak imposed his brilliance on Nick. Rallied in the 4th but the champ was too good. Well done to the young fella. Rest up and go again.
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Reply #49 –
Was a fantastic match, possibly the highest standard Wimbledon final I've ever watched, not that I've watch that many.

Djoker is just too good, he could barely reach some of those Kyrgios serves yet they still fell and Kyrgios feet. Kyrgios early was sublime, but if anything that just highlights how good you have to be to defeat Djoker.

As much as losing Nadal hurt the tournament, perhaps it's a good thing for tennis long term, Kyrgios might take some belief out of this and we'll have a new flavour on offer at the pointy end of tournaments.

PS; Kyrgios needs a coach, he could have won last night, but he retreated when he should have been on the attack. He needs someone to keep him on course tactically.
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Reply #50 –
Quote from: LP – on
Was a fantastic match, possibly the highest standard Wimbledon final I've ever watched, not that I've watch that many.

Djoker is just too good, he could barely reach some of those Kyrgios serves yet they still fell and Kyrgios feet. Kyrgios early was sublime, but if anything that just highlights how good you have to be to defeat Djoker.

As much as losing Nadal hurt the tournament, perhaps it's a good thing for tennis long term, Kyrgios might take some belief out of this and we'll have a new flavour on offer at the pointy end of tournaments.

PS; Kyrgios needs a coach, he could have won last night, but he retreated when he should have been on the attack. He needs someone to keep him on course tactically.
There were a couple of gent wearing Yonnex caps at the back of his players box who I never seen, they looked like coaching/conditioning people. I think he knows what went wrong, he said in his presser he has been playing points over in his mind which he wished he could have again. That sounds more like execution to me than strategy. He has spoken glowingly of his team this tournament about he finally has people around him who helping him be a better person and tennis player. I also havent seen his brother at many tournaments of late. Is something in that?
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Reply #51 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
I also havent seen his brother at many tournaments of late. Is something in that?
Don't think so, they said in the broadcast that his brother had mentioned that lately the old Nick was back and it was like Nick had managed to turn back the clock to get away from the dark stuff and back to being a fun loving teenager again.

Also in the broadcast they said he's been doing all this without a coach, not sure if the meant just lately or for an extended period of time.
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Reply #52 –
Kyrgios doesnt do much for me as an individual off the court and I am not a avid tennis watcher but he is good for the game in terms ofit needing a Villain to offset the good guys and create interest and entertainment much like McEnroe did.
No doubting his talent either as he has all the shots and some X factor too, the Djoker is probably the best player I have seen, he has been rubbished for his anti vax stance which will tarnish his reputation but imho is a better player than Federer or Nadal and the best of the modern era.

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Reply #53 –
Quote from: LP – on
Don't think so, they said in the broadcast that his brother had mentioned that lately the old Nick was back and it was like Nick had managed to turn back the clock to get away from the dark stuff and back to being a fun loving teenager again.

Also in the broadcast they said he's been doing all this without a coach, not sure if the meant just lately or for an extended period of time.

Kyrgios doesn't have a coach.  I heard him say recently that he's been playing tennis since he was seven and no-one knows his game as well as he does.  A half-decent coach could probably make a huge improvement to his tennis, provided that they didn't try to stifle his spotaneity.  It doesn't seem that it will happen though.
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Reply #54 –
In about 3 years he will monster the competition.

Hes going to do a Marat Safin.  All the talent is there and only towards the end will hr realise that he will have to work hard to stay relevant and ironically thats when he'll play his best most consistent tennis.

 
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Reply #55 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
In about 3 years he will monster the competition.

Hes going to do a Marat Safin.  All the talent is there and only towards the end will hr realise that he will have to work hard to stay relevant and ironically thats when he'll play his best most consistent tennis.

 

I hope you are wrong.  What little interest I had in supporting this 27-year-old man/child disappeared last night when once again he publicly humiliated his family and close friends because he was losing the match and didn't have the guts to own his own inadequacies.

People point to McEnroe as an excuse for the constant bad behaviour of Kyrgios.  McEnroe, labelled a brat, at least kept his remarks directed towards umpires and linespeople.

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Reply #56 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
In about 3 years he will monster the competition.

Hes going to do a Marat Safin.  All the talent is there and only towards the end will hr realise that he will have to work hard to stay relevant and ironically thats when he'll play his best most consistent tennis.

I would quibble about using Safin as an example (I think his best period was from about 20-25 years old), and I’m not quite so confident that Kyrgios’ late career surge will be a fait accompli, but I am hopeful that he will turn it around. For someone of his immense talent, his record to date is embarrassing.

The signs were better at Wimbledon. The first tournament I can recall where he seemed genuinely engaged for the entire two weeks. He was a worthy opponent to Djokovic, took it right up to him and really looked like he wanted to win. Of course, we had the usual nonsense. But he has a lot of work to do IMO. His most urgent task is to cut the self sabotage out of his game, in all its guises. I’d also have a look at his box - I’ve got no idea who sits there - if I were to hazard a guess, I’d say they are a mix of family, friends and other assorted hangers on. Not the type that will challenge him, pull him into line and have tough conversations IMO.

If anyone has set themselves up for late career success, it’s him. His style is to play fast points, based on a sensational serve and terrific ground strokes. Fast points means short games, short matches, minimal running. I also don’t think he’s had any injuries of note. In terms of coaching and general back-of-house setup, he gives himself a freedom to do pretty much as he pleases. Nobody tells him what to do, so he should not be mentally worn down by years of grind and “over” coaching. In both physical and mental aspects, he should be, comparatively speaking, as fresh as a daisy.

But he needs to change. Whether he undergoes some kind of self induced inner transformation, or he gets people around that make him change, it has to happen, otherwise we will have an entire career of someone who contributes more to his losses than his opponents. After the final, Goran Ivanisevic said they knew Kyrgios was vulnerable when he ripped into his entourage. And all it takes for a player like Djokovic to beat you is the slightest sniff.

I can’t stand seeing a bloke waste so much talent.

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Reply #57 –
Fascinating and engaging GF.  Djokovic was able to adjust his game when he needed to.  Kyrgios' outbursts were strange - 'You're not cheering/supporting me loudly enough' and aren't going to win anyone over.   It seems to be a cry for help - interesting in his post game interview where he gave credit to the mental strength of Roger, Raf and Novak with what they go through on a tournament by tournament basis.

Some people have that mental strength to cope, others don't.  This will be the decider for Kyrgios - having had a taste, does he want more, if so, is he going to get the help he needs. 

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Reply #58 –
What about Ash Barty? Retired at 26. Surely she left a lot of titles on the table. Isn’t she wasting her talents? If you’re lucky enough to be gifted sporting power, surely you can choose what you’ll do with it. Not everyone is an Ivan Lendl or one of the big 3 who wants to get every last drop out of his career. Kyrgios won $2m despite losing at Wimbledon. He doesn’t have to share that much with his “team” as his team is small. Just that 1 match should set him up financially if he has his head screwed on right (i.e. he isn’t another Tomic or Philippoussis). With endorsements and appearance money at whatever events he wishes to enter, he’ll build on that regardless of results in the near term.

Being a current sporting star opens a lot of doors. You can hang with NBA stars or get drink cards and VIP status at top nightclubs. Once you retire, being a former star doesn’t carry anywhere near the cachet. I can understand someone like Kyrgios wanting to take advantage of his celebrity while it exists. It’s easy to say, “He should just give a 100% effort for 5, 10, or 20 years and he can enjoy life when he retires”. But it will be a very different life when he does retire.

So, if sporting professionals want to retire early or use their prowess to live like a rock star, let them do it.

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Reply #59 –
The one person in your life that can completely destroy you and your life, is also the same person that could completely change your life, and allow you to achieve everything you desire. I won’t tell you his or her name. It is a different person for every individual. Fact is that you can see them when every you choose. You can touch them. You can hear them. Your best friend and worst enemy at the same time. Wake from your sleep. Go to the bathroom and look in the mirror. Looking back at you is your best friend and biggest nightmare. This is the person that can change your life.

Everything begins with you. The good, the bad and the ugly. Who you choose to guide you is up to the person in that mirror. Who you choose to listen to was looking back at you in the mirror. Once they convince you to make a change, you can bring all the guidance you need in life and look for a better you. You can build a team of helpers around you. You can eat better, train better, learn better. Experience a way to battle through negativity.

However, if the person looking at you in the mirror thinks you are already perfect. Then that level of perfection is all you will ever achieve. If that person tells you to wake up and make a change in your life, then you better listen and actually hear it. I do it time and time again. I don’t think I am completely insane. I might be wrong. I am not scared of that man in the mirror. I know he will always be honest with me. He will always tell me the truth. Why? I have learned to listen to him. More importantly I actually choose to hear him. Then I act accordingly. He is a brutal prick at times, and more often than not. He is my best friend and knows me better than anyone else. He doesn’t have the answers. He just tells me to search for help. Look for a better way. Do something different. Without doing something different, you are trapped to a point where you achieve the same results in life and never see what is most important in life. Learning. Doing something different with failure is actually a success. A reason to not repeat the same pattern. You don’t have to copy those that have had success to have the same success. However if you don’t try to emulate something you don’t do, how will you ever know if what others do will work for you.

Kyrgios does his own thing. He doesn’t look in the mirror. He thinks he is beautiful. He feels his world is fine the way it is. He won’t speak the truth to himself in his mirror. His short falls. Ask himself for help. Why should he. He has enough money in earnings from tennis to keep him happy. Does he have enough speed on the court to win matches? Yes. Does he have a great service game to win matches? Yes. Does he have powerful stroke play to win matches? Yes. Does he have clever X-factor play to be tricky and hard to beat? Yes. Does he have the mental focus to do what is needed when times get tough? No comment. He needs to ask his friend in the mirror. The mirror is never a liar to you. What you see is you. Listen and be honest. Hear the words. Then act.

Why do you think Novak takes toilet breaks? He needs to talk to his best friend and biggest enemy. It actually works. Far better when you are drunk. My recommendation is not to punch on with that guy or girl. She or he will win and you will lose.

Great game by Nick. High performance. Smashed the aces at almost double his opponent. Great creativity with ground strokes. Great power on stroke play. Lacking some experience on the big stage. Has beaten his opponent before twice in their last two matches in straight sets. Never had his service game broken before by Novak. Won his first set in the final, looking all the goods. Confidence sky high and ready to kill it from there on. Unfortunately he lost in the end. A very good match overall. Kyrgios lost to himself. Not to his opponent. The mental focus was off a few points. Something Nadal and Djokovic rarely experience. Probably due to more experience in finals and better support with the teams that prepare them for tournaments. Maybe they have looked in the mirror more often and asked themselves the brutal questions that need to be asked. Maybe they listen better to things they don’t want to hear. Maybe they actually hear those words. Maybe they have better coaches. F#@k that. They are old. How the hell do they do it so well for so long? Is it experience? I think it is learning weaknesses the opponent has shown in their general play. I think it is finding a weakness in a match that they are competing in. I think it is on being able to focus from point to point. Forget the last point and focus on the next. Keep it simple. One moment at a time. Don’t get overwhelmed by the current situation. Baby steps.

Either way, well done Nick. Great result. Well done Novak. You are a true champion.
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