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Re: AFL Rd 20 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #60 –
When Durdin went down we lost a lot of run, Newman getting injured just stretched the bench and ultimately impacted the rotations.

Pitto had a shocker, wasn't offering any 2nd efforts, he is probably back prematurely but I can see he needs the run so it's a no win situation.

TDK looked lost, not being in the ruck really threw him off course. With SoJ coming on, BigH, Charlie, SoJ and TDK inside F50 is too much, they get in each others way and bring opponents to the contest closing up space and leaving us short of run and chase.

Plowman, Setterfield and LoB all had nights to forget, a lot of that might also be a result of the loss of run. BigH, Charlie, Owies, Motlop had little influence, the ball didn't get down there enough or in the right fashion for them to have much impact,

SoJ was an OK replacement for Newman, but with similar run he wasn't useful in covering the loss of Durdin up forward, his chase didn't impact the Crows running out of our defence. When the game was up for grabs late we tried to swing him into D50 and Himmelberg taught him some D50 basics. In the end he was probably a poor choice of sub, more of a sub by an apology than a purpose.

Owies was OK early, but when Durdin went down Owies was left doing too much and run himself into the ground, this is partly the price of carrying Motlop who at this stage is a bit of a luxury item. We needed another small / medium forward who could run deep defensively.

Besides Hewett, probably another type of player we needed last night was a fit and in form Stocker.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 20 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #61 –
Durdin was worst on ground before he got injured.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 20 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #62 –
Quote from: Macca37 – on
This match was also a reality check with Pittonet.  He is a solid average ruckman who on his best days will break even with the opposition rucks
The Pitto problem is that he's a good ordinary ruckmen, too many got sold on the dodgy early season stats, stats that are chicken and egg logic.

With Cripps, Walsh, Hewett, Cerra and Kennedy all on the roll early in the season, we probably could have had this guy rucking and he would have been ranked the No.1 ruck!

Early in the season our ruck work was dominated by 2nd efforts, you could see the SpecialK influence, it wasn't what we were doing with taps but what happened in the very next moment. The shepherds, blocks, pick ups, etc., etc.. The early season ruck 2nd efforts stopped or slowed opposition clearances allowing our Mids to go to work, we did not have to win pure taps to win the clearance.

Last night however, and it is probably injury / recovery related, Pitto and TDK were spectators after the tap and basically played O'Brien into AA contention! FFS, Himmelberg and Walker owned our blokes, Walker toyed with them!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 20 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #63 –
Quote from: Slowhand – on
c. time to review our Fitness/Rehab system. Come to Carlton and get injured (Martin, Williams, Hewitt and co}
You should probably redirect that anger to the recruiters.

All of those players exhibited injuries at their previous club. We recruited perennially injured players, not turned them into them.

Re: AFL Rd 20 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #64 –
14 mins to go in the last quarter we were 2 goals down.

WTF happened .?..

Re: AFL Rd 20 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #65 –
Quote from: Slowhand – on
14 mins to go in the last quarter we were 2 goals down.

WTF happened .?..

I pinpointed how we lost the game.

It was as much like the st. Kilda game.

We burnt our teammates too frequently and got scored on the turnover.  The mcgovern intercept by macadam summed up the game. 
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 20 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #66 –
Quote from: Slowhand – on
14 mins to go in the last quarter we were 2 goals down.

WTF happened .?..
There is a cascade of effects, you lose some run, players get more fatigued, skills drop away you make mistakes, you get more fatigue while trying to correct mistakes, the pressure builds, quality decision making diminishes, you get more fatigued, skills drop away, etc., etc., etc., it's a feedback loop.

On top of that you get the odd bit of bad luck and it all compounds.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 20 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #67 –
our f....k problems how many times have i said same thing .1 blind kicks from defence straight to opposition  turn over goal 2 our midfield all 1 pace sos brings setters / kennedy 3 long bombs to a crowded forward line harry or charlie . Nick Austin better recruit some strong quick players  

Re: AFL Rd 20 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #68 –
Plowman should never play while stocker is on the list. Simply as that. Plowmans c0ckups that are always so costly and every loss we have that he plays in is littered with them. Surely we are past playing this bloke?

As our mate Cornes showed on the footy show we had several lame attempts. The usual culprits in Plowman, LOB and setterfield and Motlop were shown several times.

I will give Motlop an out as he is still learning but Setterfield has had enough chances and is a one paced no urgency 2nds player and is cooked imo and while LOBs kicking has improved and is a nice skill is this the bloke you want playing a high pressure hard hitting final? He will be found out imo and I think none of the 4 players mentioned above can play IF we make finals.

Re: AFL Rd 20 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #69 –
Too many duds on the list that cannot handle pressure nor give it ...... Austin needs to get out the secataurs and trim the deadwood.

I don't want to read people saying things like "but he played well against XYZ" ......... yeah, so friggen what, a broken clock is right twice a day.

Too many players getting paid too much money for very little worthwhile output.
"The Other Teams Can Rot In Hell"
 

Re: AFL Rd 20 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #70 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
You should probably redirect that anger to the recruiters.

All of those players exhibited injuries at their previous club. We recruited perennially injured players, not turned them into them.
Yep, fully agree...you look at the history of all those players plus add McGovern and they miss a lot of games during the season on average so you never have continuity in the team for too long.
Its down to the Recruiters as you say and we cant be recruiting those types anymore as its not sustainable..

Re: AFL Rd 20 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #71 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Yep, fully agree...you look at the history of all those players plus add McGovern and they miss a lot of games during the season on average so you never have continuity in the team for too long.
Its down to the Recruiters as you say and we cant be recruiting those types anymore as its not sustainable..
At the time, we had cash to spend and limited players wanting to come to us. So we took what we could get. All players are indeed talented. Just not consistently perform at AFL level, usually through injury.
So i don't begrudge the recruiters because at the time it was what we had to do.

However, as you say, we can't be recruiting those types.....ANYMORE.

Now we don't have to recruit injured players. Players will want to come to us and we can be more picky with who we chase.
Regardless of what happens in the last few rounds (and finals?) this is a new era of the Carlton Football Club and we need readjust how we do things....and recruiting injured players needs to stop.

Re: AFL Rd 20 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #72 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
Durdin was worst on ground before he got injured.

I dont like it how we are rushing Durdin - he is at least 2 years away. I like his determination and pressure acts but that isnt enough for AFL football. Motlop is the only small forward that can actually play like a small forward and even he is two years away.

Re: AFL Rd 20 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #73 –
Quote from: shawny – on
Plowman should never play while stocker is on the list. Simply as that. Plowmans c0ckups that are always so costly and every loss we have that he plays in is littered with them. Surely we are past playing this bloke?

As our mate Cornes showed on the footy show we had several lame attempts. The usual culprits in Plowman, LOB and setterfield and Motlop were shown several times.

I will give Motlop an out as he is still learning but Setterfield has had enough chances and is a one paced no urgency 2nsa player and is cooked imo and while LOBs kicking has improved and is a nice skill is this the bloke you want playing a high pressure hard hitting final? He will be found out imo and I think none of the 4 players mentioned above can play IF we make finals.
We have a few players who lose interest in the hot contest and struggle to stick tackles when the opposition stronger blokes flex their muscles, Walker knows he can have his way physically with us and Fogarty his heir in waiting also learned a few of our blokes will jump out the road if you look menacing enough and have enough momentum.
Setterfield started ok but faded badly and as River Rat suggested his kicking under pressure falls away badly, LOB got caught on the end of some play where he had bigger players run into him and struggled to control them and Plowman was in lala land with his disposal especially and had some diabolical turnovers.
Motlop I dont mind as the kid does some good stuff and isnt scared plus will come to teammates assistance......same with Owies who will also fly the flag, Harry on the other hand is about as physical as a wet lettuce leaf and needs a can of whoop arse before the game to fire him up.

Re: AFL Rd 20 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #74 –
Half backs and half forwards broke down last night - the biggest cardinal sin was not providing numbers around the ball. We got completely out played.... Adelaide were far hungrier and methodical with the numbers to the contest and then the spread.