Carlton Supporters Club

https://theconversation.com/how-dan-andrews-pulled-off-one-of-the-most-remarkable-victories-in-modern-politics-194710

Fair assessment. Paints a realistic picture IMO.

I voted liberal for the first time in my life.

We experienced a taste of far left authoritarian government during the pandemic.

No one on here knows what a far right junta government truly looks like and discuss moderates in the same breathe as Adolf Hitler.

Not the same thing at all.

For me this isn't a team sport, whether my vote won or not is irrelevant to me) but the guy in power has what, 5 IBAC investigations against his leadership?  Oh, and in case you want to see the leopard's real spots, let's all remember Jenny mikakos, and how a politician who is female and from a ethnic background was sacrificed to save face.

Not sure how the health minister is responsible for the hotel quarantine crap, but thats a discussion that is very hard to get concrete answers on.

I voted liberal for the first time in my life.

We experienced a taste of far left authoritarian government during the pandemic.

No one on here knows what a far right junta government truly looks like and discuss moderates in the same breathe as Adolf Hitler.

Not the same thing at all.

For me this isn't a team sport, whether my vote won or not is irrelevant to me) but the guy in power has what, 5 IBAC investigations against his leadership?  Oh, and in case you want to see the leopard's real spots, let's all remember Jenny mikakos, and how a politician who is female and from a ethnic background was sacrificed to save face.

Not sure how the health minister is responsible for the hotel quarantine crap, but thats a discussion that is very hard to get concrete answers on.

Me neither, my vote was more against Dan than for guy, but there was more than that thats occurred during the last 4 years to convert me from a labor voter to liberal.

As a society and nation we need to get pulled to the right because by brother in laws kids are being taught the gender crap that doesn't matter at school but will come out of primary school politicised.  Apparently they're having a whing about the lack of female protagonists in video games.  They're not even past grade 3 where the focus for us was largely about maths, and getting your pen license.

Not much of what you describe about primary school curriculum is related specifically to Labor, and on the curriculum front the things you are worried about might only become worse if minority parties gain further power. And the inverse of that scenario, a right leaning curriculum, could be even worse!

I read today there is a new push on to disassemble special education, and integrate special needs kids with the main stream. This is a push purely taken from the perspective of special needs kids and their parents. I completely understand the desire for inclusion, but nobody is discussing the impact of such decisions on the main stream students. It reminds me of when Jeff Kennett kyboshed all the special needs mental health facilities, a cost cutting exercise, oddly I'd just been having had a chat with someone about the impact of this on our hospital EUs and ESSUs.

I wouldn't be too worried though about the primary school stuff, most kids rebel against rote learning and start to question everything they have been taught by the time they hit secondary school. The more the system hammers away at them with ideologies the more likely they will feel ripped off later, and that's a big difference between teaching and educating.

Let’s learn from the US. Over there, the MAGA crowd refuse to accept any election result that goes against them. Surely everyone loves and respects dear old Donald, so any election loss has to mean the election was rigged. Maybe they should let reality hit them in the face and understand that their devotion isn’t a majority view.

At least in Victoria, we don’t (yet) have election deniers. But we do have plenty who refuse to accept that other voters don’t share their views. The ‘Dictator Dan’ crew still believe that everybody hates Dan. So they blame it on Guy. If only the Libs had a nice guy as the frontman, everybody would have voted them in to get rid of the Dictator. They aren’t driven towards self-reflection by the failure of 2 campaigns at Federal and State elections that targeted Andrews (and MacGowan) with the help of cookers and Murdoch.

But wait, now Sam Groth is here to help. Everyone loves Grothy, don’t they? If he becomes Lib leader, everyone will feel good about getting rid of Dictator Dan and those that don’t like Dan Andrews will be able to prove that everybody shares their opinions!

Dan's a good bloke just don't let your kids ride their bike around Mulgrave.

Some reflections on the election ...

The Oligarch's minions overreach in their attacks on Andrews and Labor was a spectacular fail.  Yes, their job is to push Murdoch's agenda, but they have to stay within cooee of their readership's beliefs.

Most Victorians have little time for cookers and even less for parties that cosy up to them.

Samantha Ratnam's "greenslide" didn't happen. While I would have preferred a Greens government before one led by a corrupt Guy, the Greens are decades away from developing the political astuteness, discipline and achievable policies required to become a realistic alternative to the major parties.

The National Party's resurgence at the expense of independents was a surprise.  Let's hope that they represent their constituents as well as the independents did.  Teal, pink and other shades of independents weren't able to replicate their successes of the Federal and previous State elections.

Selection of candidates needs work.  Some of the comments by endorsed candidates were abhorrent and folk with those beliefs have no place in major parties.  There's not much that can be done about who the cooker parties select but how did a bloke facing rape charges make it as a National Party candidate?

Voting "above the line" for the upper house needs to be looked at.  Preference wrangling is a blight and I would prefer to have an optional preferential system where a minimum of five boxes have to be numbered.  I don't want my vote trickling down to Wun Nashun or disgruntled idiots.  And, while I'm at it, how to vote cards should be banned!

Quote of the campaign: "Hope always defeats hate!"