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Re: Ruck & Roll (Pittonet VS De Koning VS Markov)

Reply #15 –
Quote from: pinot – on
Don't want to see TDK leave as he is going to explode in 1-2 years but would take a top 10 pick for him.

He would have had some great learnings last season as the No1 ruck, and hopefully with Pittonet coming back to be the main man, it will help his development further. I'd also like him to stay.

Re: Ruck & Roll (Pittonet VS De Koning VS Markov)

Reply #16 –
TDK needs to be more aggressive if he wants to hold down the #1 ruck.
He needs to improve his ruckwork if he want to hold down the #1 ruck.
He needs to be more consistent if he wants to hold down the #1 ruck,

Can he? Yes.

Will he? Not sure.

Personally, i think we trade him in and get something else we need and let someone else pay TDK roulette.

Re: Ruck & Roll (Pittonet VS De Koning VS Markov)

Reply #17 –
In terms of 'ruckman years' TDK is still a baby and Pitto is entering his prime. No way would I like to see us even entertain trading TDK. Together they pose a legitimate headache for opposition clubs, especially as they're both so different. And, the gods forbid, what if Pitto gets injured and there's no TDK! (Mirkov/Lemmey & O'Keefe are projects and still a way off).
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: Ruck & Roll (Pittonet VS De Koning VS Markov)

Reply #18 –
Id play them both.

5 on the interchange this year isn't it?
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: Ruck & Roll (Pittonet VS De Koning VS Markov)

Reply #19 –
I suspect it's just a matter of time before TDK surpasses Pittonet, TDK has most of our other ruck options covered on athletic ability and aerobic capacity. Pitto has TDK covered for tactics and knowledge, but that is expected from someone who has been in the system longer.

TDK is about equal of Pitto on 2nd efforts but has Pitto easily covered for F50 involvements, however TDK still gets in the way inside F50.

Pitto has TDK easily covered for D50 involvements and defensive positioning.

TDK has Pitto covered for pace, but not necessarily positioning which depends more on game awareness.

When "All our Mids" are up and firing it probably doesn't matter much who gets the taps, or even if we get the taps, it's more about 2nd efforts and shepherds to Mids. ( In fairness at this stage we haven't really got to see a fit TDK rucking with a full compliment of 1st choice Mids, which I think tends to be the biggest influencing issue in specific ruck stats. When Pitto is in TDK was relieving along with the Alt-Mid rotations, when TDK was first ruck we had blokes like Hewett and Cerra under injury clouds. Even against the Dees we got on a roll and they switched Gawn forward and put Jackson in to try and stop it, yet Gawn dominated taps. When Jackson went in he lost the taps to Pitto, but they started winning clearances due to Jackson's better mobility and 2nd efforts.)

Unfortunately, none of our ruck options have durability as feature of their characteristics.
"Ruck, ruck, ruck, ruck ....... Ruck, ruck, ruck, ruck"

Re: Ruck & Roll (Pittonet VS De Koning VS Markov)

Reply #20 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
Id play them both.

5 on the interchange this year isn't it?
It will be interesting to see how clubs make use the new rules, and I suspect in our case you are correct to make use of it to bolster ruck options.

But I suspect fans will be a bit disappointed, because it will change or diminish the role of some fan favourites.
"Ruck, ruck, ruck, ruck ....... Ruck, ruck, ruck, ruck"

Re: Ruck & Roll (Pittonet VS De Koning VS Markov)

Reply #21 –
Its hard to find young rucks that can take speccies and kick goals, his tackle numbers are pretty good. He is very good at hitouts to advantage when he wins the ruck contest just doesn't win enough of them yet - a seasoned hardened body will see him win more than lose due to his raw athletic ability. 203cm 23 year old would like us to persist with him.

Re: Ruck & Roll (Pittonet VS De Koning VS Mirkov)

Reply #22 –
Just putting it out there; our bloke is Mirkov with an "I".

Markov is a Collingwood rookie.
“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?”  Oddball

Re: Ruck & Roll (Pittonet VS De Koning VS Mirkov)

Reply #23 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
Id play them both.

5 on the interchange this year isn't it?
In theory, thats easy to say.

Pick your best 22, include 2 rucks and you'll find that you get a bit too top heavy and/or there will be deserving '3rd tall' types who miss out - ie Silvagni, McGovern, Marchbank...which exposes us should one of our Key forwards or key backs get injured.

Re: Ruck & Roll (Pittonet VS De Koning VS Mirkov)

Reply #24 –
Quote from: pinot – on
Its hard to find young rucks that can take speccies and kick goals, his tackle numbers are pretty good. He is very good at hitouts to advantage when he wins the ruck contest just doesn't win enough of them yet - a seasoned hardened body will see him win more than lose due to his raw athletic ability. 203cm 23 year old would like us to persist with him.

Agree - he would be a wanted commodity on the trade market and while Pit is serviceable I doubt he would be the starting ruck in many other sides (if any) so disagree in trading TDK - we drafted the kid, done the ground work and still needing the position he is playing for filled and now we let a team like Geelong swoop in and make him a real star.

The kid needs more time but he shows more than most for a ruck man at 23 - has the writing on the wall that this could easily be a trade we rue in 2-3 years.

If he wants the big dollars now then we have no option but to drive a hard bargain and trade but my point is first we need to do what we can to retain him.

Re: Ruck & Roll (Pittonet VS De Koning VS Mirkov)

Reply #25 –
Quote from: shawny – on
Agree - he would be a wanted commodity on the trade market and while Pit is serviceable I doubt he would be the starting ruck in many other sides (if any) so disagree in trading TDK - we drafted the kid, done the ground work and still needing the position he is playing for filled and now we let a team like Geelong swoop in and make him a real star.

The kid needs more time but he shows more than most for a ruck man at 23 - has the writing on the wall that this could easily be a trade we rue in 2-3 years.

If he wants the big dollars now then we have no option but to drive a hard bargain and trade but my point is first we need to do what we can to retain him.

If we need to go over the cap next year and under year after then we need to do it with Gov coming out of contract I have my preference on who to keep even if others will disagree.

Re: Ruck & Roll (Pittonet VS De Koning VS Mirkov)

Reply #26 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
In theory, thats easy to say.

Pick your best 22, include 2 rucks and you'll find that you get a bit too top heavy and/or there will be deserving '3rd tall' types who miss out - ie Silvagni, McGovern, Marchbank...which exposes us should one of our Key forwards or key backs get injured.

With 5 on the bench, I'd definitely play both.  Tdk is a forward that can ruck well rather than a ruck that plays forward well.

Im not worried about jsos and mcgovern marchbank.   All 3 are role players for us and Jack is first cab off that rank as spiritual leader.  Mcgovern second and marchbank is a bit of a wildcard who i might think about trying in Newman's role.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: Ruck & Roll (Pittonet VS De Koning VS Mirkov)

Reply #27 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
With 5 on the bench, I'd definitely play both.  Tdk is a forward that can ruck well rather than a ruck that plays forward well.

Im not worried about jsos and mcgovern marchbank.   All 3 are role players for us and Jack is first cab off that rank as spiritual leader.  Mcgovern second and marchbank is a bit of a wildcard who i might think about trying in Newman's role.
It's not 5 on the bench though.
It's 4 and 1 break glass in case of emergency.

You might not be worried about those I mentioned, but pick your best 22 in an actual side and you'll see its unbalanced if you included all of them. If you then look to exclude one, the most obvious one is a 2nd ruck. Since tdk is a forward/ruck, it's him.

We tried playing woth pitto, tdk, Harry and Charlie and we had to leave out Jack....and ended up being too tall with no heart.
I don't need to learn that lesson a 2nd time.

Re: Ruck & Roll (Pittonet VS De Koning VS Mirkov)

Reply #28 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
We tried playing woth pitto, tdk, Harry and Charlie and we had to leave out Jack....and ended up being too tall with no heart.
I don't need to learn that lesson a 2nd time.
And so it starts for season 2023, the well wishes, mercy pleas and begging.

AFL is a brutal business!

As BigH, Charlie, TDK, Young and Kemp mature, selections are no longer so certain. What we might want as fans, and what becomes reality at the MC, might not converge!

AFL is a cold and brutal business!

I notice in pre-season SoJ has again been given so stoppage time, I really, really, hope, the MC see him as more than a 3rd tall or a ruck relief, because if fans think he's getting a gig based on that things might not be so rosy!
"Ruck, ruck, ruck, ruck ....... Ruck, ruck, ruck, ruck"
 

Re: Ruck & Roll (Pittonet VS De Koning VS Mirkov)

Reply #29 –
Te konings mark then is why he and pittonet should both be playing.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson