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Re: AFL Rd 1 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #60 –
What we were trying to achieve last night was to domonstrate we have the ability to tough a game out, against good opposition, and not drop our bundle.  We largely did this, just a pity we couldn't make it a win.
We still look like we are a couple of players short to me. I'll leave it a couple of games  before getting specific.  However, was very pleased with the two newbies,  very promising imho.
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: AFL Rd 1 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #61 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
Silvagni attended 18 ruck contests for 2 hit outs. Not a ruckman and it probably hurts his forward work which was poor last night.

Last year in round 1 Pittonet had a good battle with Nankervis for most of the game which allowed a fresh TDK to smash him in the final term.

Its time to end this Silvagni in the ruck nonsense. It doesn't work and our results in the 2nd half of last year show this.

I generally agree.

Re: AFL Rd 1 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #62 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
I generally agree.
100 up, is that enough?

SoJ had that look of resignation last night, I suspect we need a genuine 2nd ruck in when we play against the likes of Nankervis, and only one of either SoJ or Martin in the squad, but not both.

Personally, on last night, I'd have SoJ back to the wing where I think he plays his best footy, and Akers out. Akers is a long term career professional footballer, last night he looked greener than Hollands and Cowan! But being a newbie to our squad, Akers probably gets some leeway.

Cripps was more effective at F50 stoppages rucking than SoJ, but if we go that route TDK is wasted, because he is not a D50 type ruck, Pitto is a better choice to drop behind play leaving one of the KPFs to ruck. Having TDK, BigH, Cripps and Charlie all around the F50 stoppages leaves us slow and inflexible. Fans don't want to hear that, but I think it was obvious last night. We won very few F50 stoppages, and they frequently ran the ball out without resistance, when we got it back it was mostly due to uncharacteristic poor disposal from Nthmond.

In fact as a game, the skill level was deplorable across the board.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 1 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #63 –
@LordLucifer‍  The missus kept asking me what this means, and I think I worked it out!


Turn off the lights, and don't let the door hit you in the ar5e on the way out!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 1 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #64 –
I'm not sure what to take away from the game. Whilst it's too early to hit the panic button, I was a little concerned that we lost the territory battle, and more concerned about being beaten around the ball. This has not being a forte under Hardwick, but it is under Voss. Some of the boys certainly looked rusty, and a little sluggish. I thought at times Richmond opened us up far too easily. Both teams had good and crap moments. Splitting the points is probably about right.

I heard Voss in the post match say that if this game happened last season, we would have lost by 6 goals.

Re: AFL Rd 1 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #65 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Three in a low scoring game on one of the premier FB's in the league makes him a contributor much like Charlie was at the other end imho. What did you think of Jack Martins game?...did I miss anything that he did behind play that could class him as a contributor? or could we have put a corpse on the field in jumper No 21 and got the same result?
I watched him run around a fair bit but seemingly to all the wrong place most of the times. I saw him lay a few tackles but as many have said, a bloke of his calibre needs to impact more. I saw him with ice on both calves after the game. Personally I'd like to see him cover less km but be more impactful with his touches, think Cyril Rioli (only needed to touch it a handful of times to destroy a game). It could be rust (first real game back), he simply needs to help us more. He is a good tackler, quick off the mark, good overhead, a beautiful kick, just needs to hurt opo more.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership
 

Re: AFL Rd 1 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #66 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Doc had a crack at SOS for sitting in his car in the carpark while Jack was recognised for his 100 game milestone.  Fair enough too!

Steven may be working for another club but that's insensitive behaviour at best.

I think that Rita's comment about it being sad that Sergio wasn't there to see Jack's 100th game was spot on.  He would have been so proud of his grandson.
Quote from: DJC – on
Doc had a crack at SOS for sitting in his car in the carpark while Jack was recognised for his 100 game milestone.  Fair enough too!

Steven may be working for another club but that's insensitive behaviour at best.

I think that Rita's comment about it being sad that Sergio wasn't there to see Jack's 100th game was spot on.  He would have been so proud of his grandson.

Jack looked sad in the footage of the family photo celebrating his 100th.

Afaic family is much more important than any job or jobs. I'd be a father and support my son. No matter the circumstances. Moments like that are precious and tend to be well remembered.
Coming together is the beginning.
Keeping together is progress.
Working together is success.
Henry Ford.

Re: AFL Rd 1 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #67 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
I'm not sure what to take away from the game. Whilst it's too early to hit the panic button, I was a little concerned that we lost the territory battle, and more concerned about being beaten around the ball. This has not being a forte under Hardwick, but it is under Voss. Some of the boys certainly looked rusty, and a little sluggish. I thought at times Richmond opened us up far too easily. Both teams had good and crap moments. Splitting the points is probably about right.

I heard Voss in the post match say that if this game happened last season, we would have lost by 6 goals.
Yes hid did say that, also said we were in it and could have won it by playing a different way (which he considered a positive). It was a game of moments, their little center square clearance burst period in the 3rd, a couple of misses by both sides (Showpony Bolton was a particularly hurtful one for them), a block which allowed Lynch to mark and equalise, a slip by H and a spill by Acres. I would also say the wind swirled and changed direction a few times which caught a few out I reckon. First qtr favored our end then by the 3rd it changed, then again in the 4th.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 1 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #68 –
Got away with 2 points.  While the defence held up under pressure, our new game plan of bomb it out of defensive 50 with no composure adds to bomb it to the forwards and hope.

Ordinary game, and quite boring to watch (on TV anyway) - as others have said.  Basically it was 14 goals for the match (given that the first two were scored within the first couple of minutes).

Re: AFL Rd 1 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #69 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
Silvagni attended 18 ruck contests for 2 hit outs. Not a ruckman and it probably hurts his forward work which was poor last night.

Last year in round 1 Pittonet had a good battle with Nankervis for most of the game which allowed a fresh TDK to smash him in the final term.

Its time to end this Silvagni in the ruck nonsense. It doesn't work and our results in the 2nd half of last year show this.


All I'll say is that if Tommy D wants to be the Big Dog of the ruck department, Nank showed him he isnt quite there yet.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 1 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #70 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Doc had a crack at SOS for sitting in his car in the carpark while Jack was recognised for his 100 game milestone.  Fair enough too!

Steven may be working for another club but that's insensitive behaviour at best.

I think that Rita's comment about it being sad that Sergio wasn't there to see Jack's 100th game was spot on.  He would have been so proud of his grandson.
And I will just about guarantee you, if Serge was here, SOS wouldn't have behaved like that . He would have gone down to the car park and dragged him out of the car by his ears.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 1 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #71 –
Quote from: DJC – on
I was fuming at several poor decisions at the time but, on reflection, the umpires were consistent and deserve acknowledgment for a well adjudicated game.

They did miss Dusty’s first fend off which was probably more blatantly holding the ball.
I agree, generally they were very good I thought. For me the dubious one was the Rioli free or mark (not sure what they paid) but it was neither a mark or free for mine.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 1 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #72 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
And I will just about guarantee you, if Serge was here, SOS wouldn't have behaved like that . He would have gone down to the car park and dragged him out of the car by his ears.

I'm sure you're right!
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: AFL Rd 1 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #73 –
Just had another look at the replay I'll take the 2 points.  Some positives and some of the usual negatives. would have lost by 6 goals last year.

Tiggers would have beaten most teams on that performance last night. Hardwick was fuming in his presser and stated that their pressure was 'Elite'. Blamed their finishing.

Big plus for the MC playing the two kids. They will only get better. Not sure about TDK and SOS in the ruck.
Next week they we will probably do the same against the Premiers.

Really miss Sammy W. Hope he can get back soon.

Long season and we will only get better. Not sure the Tiggers will  :))  :))  :))






Re: AFL Rd 1 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #74 –
Tonyo, I thought we were very, very ordinary and the tigers blew a few soft goals.  Our decision making late in games is still awful which is a major concern.  I'd take the two bonus points, because that's what they are IMO.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?