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Re: AFL Rd 1 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #120 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
You can follow Ben's take on it in replies to Mitch Cleary on Twitter

https://twitter.com/bensilvagni/status/1636337753565855744?cxt=HBwWgIDU3YyhuLUtAAAA&cn=ZmxleGlibGVfcmVjcw%3D%3D&refsrc=email

Pathetic!
"Negative waves are not helpful. Try saying something righteous and hopeful instead." Oddball

Re: AFL Rd 1 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #121 –
Quote from: crashlander – on

What worried me more last night was the lack of defensive pressure some of our forwards provided. Charlie, especially

For such an athletic player, he rarely shows any acceleration or desire to chase.

Re: AFL Rd 1 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #122 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
Sounds like we found out Ben is very supportive of his old man, and we might have just found out why he got delisted. Sounds like the Silvagnis arent happy with the Carlton Football club to me. 

I can understand SOS being upset with certain prominent figures at the club when he left.
I struggle to understand his ill feeling to the entity that is the club.
Those he had issues with have pretty much departed.

There must be a couple there he continues to harbour some pretty intense problems with.
I doubt we'll here him speak.
Ben's thoughts probably reflect his anyway.
But it certainly hasn't gone down well with Carlton folk.

Re: AFL Rd 1 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #123 –
Quote from: Lods – on
I can understand SOS being upset with certain prominent figures at the club when he left.
I struggle to understand his ill feeling to the entity that is the club.
Those he had issues with have pretty much departed.

There must be a couple there he continues to harbour some pretty intense problems with.
I doubt we'll here him speak.
Ben's thoughts probably reflect his anyway.
But it certainly hasn't gone down well with Carlton folk.

Sad. But when you're a person given to grudge holding and bitterness... well, we can see what happens. As the old saying goes, 'bitterness toward another is like drinking poison and expecting the other person to get sick...'
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 1 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #124 –
If Jack is fine with it then what's the big deal? It's a game of footy not a wedding.

We sacked him because our CEO said he was going to sabotage the club. Who here would go back to their workplace after that?
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!
 

Re: AFL Rd 1 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #125 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
If Jack is fine with it then what's the big deal? It's a game of footy not a wedding.

We sacked him because our CEO said he was going to sabotage the club. Who here would go back to their workplace after that?

If the CEO is no longer there you'd be back in a heartbeat....
If you wanted to.

But SOS was always planning to leave.
His departure was just fast-tracked.
...and that was probably a reasonable thing.
If a bloke is going to leave you may as well cut the ties and get the new structure established.

Re: AFL Rd 1 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #127 –
Quote from: LordLucifer – on
Four umpires yet none of them saw McKay, Cripps & Curnow continually being held or blocked, somtimes they were bearhugs, other times they were sleeper holds.

Woeful umpiring !!
To be honest, I wasn't that disappointed in the Umpires. For much of the game they quite reasonable. But the way Grimes, in particular, and the Richmond defence as a unit, held and scragged our forwards without being penalized was beyond me. I recall Charlie being held in a headlock in one confrontation on the wing (which I think H marked anyway). That is something that really needs to be addressed.
Mind you, we also need to give Charlie a chance. We delivered the ball incredibly poorly to our forwards all night. Never once did we open the forward line and give a forward a chance to lead towards the ball. Some of that was because we won so few centre clearances; Richmond was usually given time to match up on our forwards. But, until we have our ruck combination right, that is gong to be elusive.
Live Long and Prosper!

Re: AFL Rd 1 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #128 –
Quote from: shawny – on
Fisher is a disappointing footballer imo. 6 touches in first quarter and then 1 more for the next 3.

Did not touch the footy after half time. Nothing.

Martin is even worse imo. The bloke jogs around at half pace and shows no desire to get out of first gear.

Both of these guys are teasers.

If we are going to make the leap up we can’t accept consistent below par performances regardless of their potential or highlight reel cameos they pull out every now and then.

Prefer to see blokes like kemp honey given more chances.
The lack of pressure from Fisher and Martin was very disappointing. Fish really needs to lift his game.
Live Long and Prosper!

Re: AFL Rd 1 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #129 –
Quote from: crashlander – on
The lack of pressure from Fisher and Martin was very disappointing. Fish really needs to lift his game.

The coaching panel might say that the game didn't suit him, I'd question that (if it were the case). At best he's a cameo small forward and as a midfielding his size is against him. Goes missing for long periods far too often. I'd give someone else a go in his role.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 1 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #130 –
Quote from: crashlander – on
The lack of pressure from Fisher and Martin was very disappointing. Fish really needs to lift his game.

...as for Martin, time for a rest and as for Fisher, give someone else a go. I'd put Owies in that equation as well... just not quite AFL standard. And JSOS should focus on his forward craft only... no more ruck nonsense.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 1 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #131 –
I've had a few days to consider my reaction to the game, now, but I haven't changed my mind much from the night.

[1] Richmond appear to want the ball more as a unit than we do. They'd gut-run to make a contest. Some of our guys are like that. I recall 2 fantastic efforts from Saad and one from McGovern that really stood out. But our forward were really lacking in intensity.

[2] Our ruck situation is not helping us. Tome de Koning worked hard, competed well and did his best, but he didn't get the taps and didn't direct the taps he got. He doesn't do that well against the really strong rucks, and Nankervis is one of those.
Jack tried his guts out, but he isn't a ruck and it shows. Time for a different plan.
Reading that Pittonet did well for the 2nds makes me think it will be sooner rather than later when he returns to the senior side. I am quite happy about that.

[3] Considering that we never had the ball delivered to our mids in a reasonable fashion, our midfield actually stood up quite well. George Hewett was excellent all night. Cripps lifted when it mattered. Cerra, Kennedy and Docherty were more than serviceable, everything considered. But we really didn't get much from our few centre breaks, as they were not the high quality things we had early last year.

[4] Tom de Koning is improving as a ruckman. I loved his attack on the ball. He made a few clearances out of nothing. However, he isn't strong enough to handle guys like Nankervis. he took a couple of brilliant marks, but fumbled a lot of others and his kicking was ... debateable.

[5] When your 2 key defenders take 19 marks between them, it says something about how they played. Kudos to Young and Weitering. But for a few push in the backs that were not paid, Lynch would have had 1 goal, not 3.

[6] It was very obvious that we lacked match practice. In season past there would be 4 games to hone the skills and get used to the contact. Nothing like that now. It really showed. We were seriously underdone and it was obvious in a lot of ways.
Is it worth having this 'Gather Round' idiocy to abandon the pres-season? Personally, I don't think so.

[7] I hate Thursday Night football. It really doesn't suit me in any way. I had to miss one tutoring session (I usually work until 19:10 on Thursdays). The trains weren't running. Instead of getting on at Ringwood, I had to drive to Syndal to get a train. The food at the MCG is pathetic. I never have enough room to straighten out my dodgy knees. I didn't even get the see the first bounce, or the first 3 goals. Then I have to wake up for work the next morning after getting to bed well after midnight, and I always find it hard to relax after the game.
The whole thing just doesn't suit me, and hasn't from the start. The first time they tried this thing I had a parent -teacher night on the same night. It doesn't allow people from the regions to get to the game and get home, even though I no longer have to go to Bendigo to get home. I really hate it.

[8] Fisher, Silvagni, Jack Martin and Charlie Curnow stood out as having poor games. This even with Charlie kicking 3 goals. Martin didn't put any pressure on at all, and allowed his opponent to run off him with little regard. Fisher likewse. Owies was quieter than he can be as well. That is not good.

[9] O'Brien wasn't that bad when he came on. He ran hard and made a contest. But his football intelligence is questionable. He had H on his own, but ran on until H was covered by 3 players. That just wasn't smart. Mind you, H should have marked the ball: it wasn't that bad a kick. he take that mark and the game is over.

[10] Cowan and Hollands were great first up, but neither were they that bad. Both did things that made you think they have a future. Not sure they will hold their places, assuming the fitness of their possible replacements, but they will be better for the run.
Live Long and Prosper!

Re: AFL Rd 1 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #132 –
my take is that coaching panel has failed to add different game plan that failed us in 2022.We are still still going the long bomb either from Fullback or into F50 DOES NOT WORK. Our defence needs another two saads that can run split open game we are to slow . Quick ball movement  is the key with our game style the opposition has plenty of time to set up . 

Re: AFL Rd 1 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #133 –
Quote from: crashlander – on
I hate Thursday Night football. It really doesn't suit me in any way. I had to miss one tutoring session (I usually work until 19:10 on Thursdays). The trains weren't running. Instead of getting on at Ringwood, I had to drive to Syndal to get a train. The food at the MCG is pathetic. I never have enough room to straighten out my dodgy knees. I didn't even get the see the first bounce, or the first 3 goals. Then I have to wake up for work the next morning after getting to bed well after midnight, and I always find it hard to relax after the game.
 
The whole thing just doesn't suit me, and hasn't from the start. The first time they tried this thing I had a parent -teacher night on the same night. It doesn't allow people from the regions to get to the game and get home, even though I no longer have to go to Bendigo to get home. I really hate it.
I get it @crashlander , but the big dollars comes from the broadcaster so it's never going back the way it was. I hate it too, lose and Friday, Sat and Sun suck, and usually you end up with a 9 or 10 day break before the next game, which just sucks even more.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 1 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #134 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
If Jack is fine with it then what's the big deal? It's a game of footy not a wedding.

We sacked him because our CEO said he was going to sabotage the club. Who here would go back to their workplace after that?
And that CEO got the ass, move on SOS. He's just a stubborn fark.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership