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AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong

Getting in early, as I will be very busy tomorrow.
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Dow dominated in the praccy and kicked four goals against Ninthmond has to be in contention.
Couldnt do worse than Fisher and Martin

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Quote from: pinot – on
Dow dominated in the praccy and kicked four goals against Ninthmond has to be in contention.
Couldnt do worse than Fisher and Martin
Dow might get the sub role, reckon they will stick with Fisher and Martin for another game at least.
Pittonet will probably get a game too, dont see too many changes other than that.

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Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Dow might get the sub role, reckon they will stick with Fisher and Martin for another game at least.
Pittonet will probably get a game too, dont see too many changes other than that.
Martin was deplorable closely followed by Fisher (after his goal), Owies, Motlop (although he tried very hard to get into the game by covering the ground extensively).
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

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Quote from: pinot – on
Dow dominated in the praccy and kicked four goals against Ninthmond has to be in contention.
Couldnt do worse than Fisher and Martin
Agree. I’m not a dow fan and can’t see him making it but fair is fair if your form warrants it he should be rewarded.

Martin is an absolute p1ss taker. We all keep waiting for him to play consistent footy but reality is he is what he is and what you see is what you get.

Injury prone inconsistent with cameo moments in games to keep the coaches interested.  I’ve seen enough.

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Quote from: shawny – on
Agree. I’m not a dow fan and can’t see him making it but fair is fair if your form warrants it he should be rewarded.

Martin is an absolute p1ss taker. We all keep waiting for him to play consistent footy but reality is he is what he is and what you see is what you get.

Injury prone inconsistent with cameo moments in games to keep the coaches interested.  I’ve seen enough.
Agree, but we are stuck with him, I'd be looking at him as the professional sub as he never plays four quarters but might give you that cameo 10 mins that can win a close game.

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Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Agree, but we are stuck with him, I'd be looking at him as the professional sub as he never plays four quarters but might give you that cameo 10 mins that can win a close game.
You could be onto something with that Sub option, some blokes just love a cameo, they shy away from the intensity of the fulltime spotlight.

Some people just want to be the interval clown, not the headline act!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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I think we will win this one particularly if the Filth soften them up for us.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

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Quote from: LP – on
You could be onto something with that Sub option, some blokes just love a cameo, they shy away from the intensity of the fulltime spotlight.

Some people just want to be the interval clown, not the headline act!
We have had a few clowns over the journey and it's probably why we have looked like a circus...
Martin in the middle as a shock trooper or down forward for 10 minutes could be what  we need as some X factor.
Fisher, Owies, Motlop doesn't seem to be working out as a small forward setup and we have become too Charlie and Harry centric...

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To be fair, just about all of the small forward types were battling to get up for Rd 1 after injuries. A few players who had an interrupted preseason were underwhelming last night, on both sides.

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Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Fisher, Owies, Motlop doesn't seem to be working out as a small forward setup and we have become too Charlie and Harry centric...
@ElwoodBlues1  I suppose when you look upfield and have twin Coleman medallists spreading it becomes a bit hard to see the other options, but I tend to agree. Not only does it hurt the smalls, by us being too predictable it doesn't help the talls either.

Last night on multiple occasions we saw BigH, Charlie, SoJ and TDK all contesting the same long slow entry marking contest, it can't possibly work. They spoil each other, the pill hits the deck, with our smalls outnumbered 2 to 1.

I've pretty much been a Voss booster until last night, but that rubbish was like watching junior footy. No smalls at the fall, no contest, Nthmond just hoover up the ground ball and run it out unopposed.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Not sure what people expect from our small forwards.  They all played a role and you arent going to get too much more out of your smalls than a goal or two, as well as an assist or two, a few tackles, lots of thankless running, and about 7-12 posessions.  Owies and Motlop completed that requirement from what I can tell.

We didnt win because simply, a lack of composure, too one paced, and I didn't like our inability to get out of our backline when the Tigers executed their forward press.  This was exacerbated by lack of composure at times.

We had too many non contributers across the 4 quarters and it showed.
"everything you know is wrong"

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Quote from: Thryleon – on
Not sure what people expect from our small forwards.  They all played a role and you arent going to get too much more out of your smalls than a goal or two, as well as an assist or two, a few tackles, lots of thankless running, and about 7-12 posessions.  Owies and Motlop completed that requirement from what I can tell.

We didnt win because simply, a lack of composure, too one paced, and I didn't like our inability to get out of our backline when the Tigers executed their forward press.  This was exacerbated by lack of composure at times.

We had too many non contributers across the 4 quarters and it showed.
My point is Fisher, Martin and Owies were part of that non contributing group...Motlop is still a kid learning the game and gets some slack cut his way but we didnt have much energy when the ball hit the deck forward.
Look at the tackles inside 50...Fisher =0, Owies =1, Motlop= 1, Martin =2.......not a lot of chasing or desire in that lot. Thats zero pressure on the Richmond backs bringing the ball out.
Id be changing personnel, tactics and demanding goals from pressure turnovers, you couple that with poor disposal efficiency from minimal possessions and they were all passengers.
Richmond were equally as crape with their smalls down forward and old man Reiwoldt was the best leading the way with 4 tackles inside 50..he at least still has some fire in the belly.
Dusty and Cotchin had no tackles I50 between them in comparison, they are on the skids and are living off past glories, Dusty will have his moments but isnt the Dusty of old and Cotchin who if he kicked any shorter would be stubbing his toes everytime.
Like I said before I dont rate Richmond but we have plenty of work to do as well especially with our small forwards...

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We need better ground ball players forward of center. We have the air covered but when the ball hits the ground the players are not good enough imo.
Jack Graham had 20 possessions 9 tackles as half forward
Shai Boilton had 18 posessions 4 tackles as half forward
..and Dusty 23 possessions always a threat luckily we nullified his influence because we should have been blown out of the water.

In comparison to our crop - not good enough.

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Quote from: pinot – on
We need better ground ball players forward of center. We have the air covered but when the ball hits the ground the players are not good enough imo.
Jack Graham had 20 possessions 9 tackles as half forward
Shai Boilton had 18 posessions 4 tackles as half forward
..and Dusty 23 possessions always a threat luckily we nullified his influence because we should have been blown out of the water.

In comparison to our crop - not good enough.
Best return from a Blues small forward in 2022 was Fisher with 18 goals........thats not good enough to be contenders.