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Re: AFL Rd 3 2023 Post Game Prognostications Giants vs Carlton

Reply #180 –
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Re: AFL Rd 3 2023 Post Game Prognostications Giants vs Carlton

Reply #182 –
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https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-news-2023-umpire-dissent-stephen-coniglio-free-kick-jack-riewoldt-comments-reaction-gws-vs-carlton-arms-out/news-story/dcacbdbeff444997ba90fd7be39da3d7

Youre not actually holding Jack up as someone credible are you ?
Its like asking Jack the Ripper if the laws around slaughtering prostitutes are too cumbersome and need to be relaxed...
Let’s go BIG !

Re: AFL Rd 3 2023 Post Game Prognostications Giants vs Carlton

Reply #183 –
Quote from: northernblue – on
Youre not actually holding Jack up as someone credible are you ?
Its like asking Jack the Ripper if the laws around slaughtering prostitutes are too cumbersome and need to be relaxed...

It's more about the whole discussion with him, Docherty and the panellists.

Re: AFL Rd 3 2023 Post Game Prognostications Giants vs Carlton

Reply #184 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
It's more about the whole discussion with him, Docherty and the panellists.

He admitted he does a lot worse and gets away with it.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 3 2023 Post Game Prognostications Giants vs Carlton

Reply #185 –
So the question is...if what Coniglio did isn't dissent?
If it's not worth a penalty?
What does constitute dissent?

Are we prepared to let these actions become the standard.
If there's no penalty they will be more frequent because some players are obviously disciplining themselves not to react.
If they're the standard at senior level how will that translate to junior football.

Re: AFL Rd 3 2023 Post Game Prognostications Giants vs Carlton

Reply #186 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
He admitted he does a lot worse and gets away with it.

Yep, and not just him. I'm absolutely in favour of treating the umpires with respect, but I think the AFL needs to handle this issue a lot better.
 

Re: AFL Rd 3 2023 Post Game Prognostications Giants vs Carlton

Reply #187 –
 Perhaps the AFL should tell the umpires not to penalise a player who reacts emotionally driven by the belief that the umpire’s decision was wrong or unfair. That would solve everything, wouldn’t it? :P

Re: AFL Rd 3 2023 Post Game Prognostications Giants vs Carlton

Reply #188 –
Quote from: Lods – on
So the question is...if what Coniglio did isn't dissent?
If it's not worth a penalty?
What does constitute dissent?

Are we prepared to let these actions become the standard.
If there's no penalty they will be more frequent because some players are obviously disciplining themselves not to react.
If they're the standard at senior level how will that translate to junior football.

Like Paul mentioned Coniglio is more respectful of the umpires than 90% of the fans in the grounds. When I was a kid I used to sit in the Carlton Social club where the umpires used to walk off.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 3 2023 Post Game Prognostications Giants vs Carlton

Reply #189 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-news-2023-umpire-dissent-stephen-coniglio-free-kick-jack-riewoldt-comments-reaction-gws-vs-carlton-arms-out/news-story/dcacbdbeff444997ba90fd7be39da3d7

More to the point, Riewoldt had no idea before the Coniglio free.  It’s bad luck that AFL didn’t bring in a penalty for whinging 🙂
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: AFL Rd 3 2023 Post Game Prognostications Giants vs Carlton

Reply #190 –
I reckon Riewoldt's right.
He should be pinged every time for his actions....so now he's drawn attention to it, here's hoping :D

Quote from: PaulP – on
Yep, and not just him. I'm absolutely in favour of treating the umpires with respect, but I think the AFL needs to handle this issue a lot better.

Quote from: madbluboy – on
Like Paul mentioned Coniglio is more respectful of the umpires than 90% of the fans in the grounds. When I was a kid I used to sit in the Carlton Social club where the umpires used to walk off.

So accepting that the AFL want to set a standard of respect, what's the solution.
If you don't agree with the current practice (which I agree is a little dodgy given the inconsistency of interpretation and application) what do you guys see as the answer.

Re: AFL Rd 3 2023 Post Game Prognostications Giants vs Carlton

Reply #191 –
I don't think there is a problem.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 3 2023 Post Game Prognostications Giants vs Carlton

Reply #192 –
The problem is under control at the moment as players realise they may give up 50s or frees.  Most of them self-censor. But if the AFL follows its usual problem-solving strategy, umpires will be told not to penalise and it’ll be open season again.

That’s what happened with hands in the back. While most players adjusted, there was a number of players who whinged mightily about being free-kicked when they kept on putting their hands in the back. So out goes that black and white rule and players were told they couldn’t use their hands to push an opponent out of the contest. Now we have a grey area over what is a push and what is holding one’s position. That reached peak ridiculousness in the case of 2 players running towards the ball where it was argued that the player running second was entitled to push his opponent in the back to protect the ball drop or hold his position. Now, only a fool takes front position as you just get pushed out of the marking contest.

Re: AFL Rd 3 2023 Post Game Prognostications Giants vs Carlton

Reply #193 –
Players just run the risk of giving away a free kick just like running the risk of giving away a free kick at bumping instead of tackling.

Re: AFL Rd 3 2023 Post Game Prognostications Giants vs Carlton

Reply #194 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
I don't think there is a problem.
I think the way it was umpired was fine, I think the way most players are dealing with it is fine, there will always be the odd infringement.

Personally, if I was coach I'd be asking Coniglio why he spent moments wasting time when he could have been 5m or 10m down the ground setting up for the kick out! This in my opinion is why he remains a so so footballer.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"