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Re: Best 22 for 2014

Reply #180 –
Quote from: Mantis – on
Quote from: Jean-Claude – on
The more I think about it the more I like the pickup of Everitt. A bit bigger than your usual third tall and not quite key position but should cover opposition third talls comfortably and could play 2nd tall against smaller forward lines. Ironically he is actually taller than Jamison by one cm I think.

Not to mention being able to push up on a wing or swing forward. Offers great versatility.

I only remember him at the Doggies, but have heard good news about his ability. He is a bit of a utility type and can run. I'll be interested to see if he can hold his marks. This will open opportunities for him. Haven't seen enough myself, but as I said I have heard good news most of the time.


The Swans taught Everitt their code of team ethics and I thought he had a great season for them playing most games. He isnt a KP player and doesnt like muscling up on opponents and the temptation to cheat with him in KP's has to be ignored. His strength is being able to be that skillful third tall, down back or down forward and put him on players where you have the advantage of a size or speed mismatch....lazy talls were exposed for lack of pace/running and little blokes were outsized. He learnt to be more accountable and do some of the basics well in defense  for the Swans but IMO is still a player with flair who you look to help win games rather than save them...

Re: Best 22 for 2014

Reply #181 –
So we basically did a swap -> Laidler for Everitt. We only come out ahead if Jeremy can't get on the park IMO.

Re: Best 22 for 2014

Reply #182 –
Quote from: ItsOurTime – on
So we basically did a swap -> Laidler for Everitt. We only come out ahead if Jeremy can't get on the park IMO.

Everitt is taller, quicker, more agile, more disciplined and more versatile. Everitt only needs to play two senior games this year and it's a win IMO, as it's more than Laidler produced under MM.

Re: Best 22 for 2014

Reply #183 –
Yes he would have learnt a thing or two at the Swans and hopefully he goes alright. I would go with Jamison and Watson as your two talls down back, Everitt as the third tall, Tuohy as the lock down back pocket, I really liked Simpson as the floating half back last year ala Hodge, with the other half back spot sort of up for grabs (probably Scotland).

Allowing Walker to play third tall up forward behind Henderson and Waite, Menzel as your genuine flanker, Garlett the specialist small and the resting ruck. In my opinion thats our best mix up forward and down back. The midfield speaks for itself, Yarran I would also like to see more on a wing with stints up forward for a breather.

Re: Best 22 for 2014

Reply #184 –
Quote from: Jean-Claude – on
Yes he would have learnt a thing or two at the Swans and hopefully he goes alright. I would go with Jamison and Watson as your two talls down back, Everitt as the third tall, Tuohy as the lock down back pocket, I really liked Simpson as the floating half back last year ala Hodge, with the other half back spot sort of up for grabs (probably Scotland).

Allowing Walker to play third tall up forward behind Henderson and Waite, Menzel as your genuine flanker, Garlett the specialist small and the resting ruck. In my opinion thats our best mix up forward and down back. The midfield speaks for itself, Yarran I would also like to see more on a wing with stints up forward for a breather.

That's almost exactly how I picked my ideal side also, way back on page one.

I agree, definitely our most potent setup. Docherty to come through and replace Scotland eventually.
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Re: Best 22 for 2014

Reply #185 –
My best, based obviously on not having seen any of the training sessions and not knowing what the real injury situation is.

B:   Simpson, Jamison, Tuohy
HB: Everitt, Watson, Walker
C:   Yarran, McLean, Thomas
R:   Warnock, Murphy, Judd
HF: Robinson, Waite, Gibbs
F:   Garlett, Henderson, Kreuzer

INT: Curnow, Armfield, Menzel, Bell

EM: Scotland

I want Gibbs to play more forward this year. There are several others who will no doubt be pressing strongly for early selection so the above best be on their respective games! I'm pretty optimistic for some real improvement at this stage.
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: Best 22 for 2014

Reply #186 –
Quote from: nathbear – on
Quote from: Jean-Claude – on
Yes he would have learnt a thing or two at the Swans and hopefully he goes alright. I would go with Jamison and Watson as your two talls down back, Everitt as the third tall, Tuohy as the lock down back pocket, I really liked Simpson as the floating half back last year ala Hodge, with the other half back spot sort of up for grabs (probably Scotland).

Allowing Walker to play third tall up forward behind Henderson and Waite, Menzel as your genuine flanker, Garlett the specialist small and the resting ruck. In my opinion thats our best mix up forward and down back. The midfield speaks for itself, Yarran I would also like to see more on a wing with stints up forward for a breather.

That's almost exactly how I picked my ideal side also, way back on page one.

I agree, definitely our most potent setup. Docherty to come through and replace Scotland eventually.

Nathbear I agree that Docherty was brought in with that exact idea in mind. Don't know squat about him other than he is still fairly raw and not sure how quickly he will make his way into the 22.

Re: Best 22 for 2014

Reply #187 –
Kruezer and. Warnock should never under any condition be allowedto play in the same team.neither can play forward on a consistent level.Warnock cannot run jump or mark the ball and as a ruck man he may get tap outs but how many to advantage .A nd if they both play in the same side our interchange becomes one man down.Kruezer is the better all round player and we should be using him with cas or Rowe as the back ups.I also think that blokes like Bell ,cas,Watson menzal should be played for the first 6 or 7 weeks and told before the season starts that's how long they have to prove themselves and not dropped after  1 or 2 games as until we can replace the likes of arm field and curnow and the likes with genuine footballers we will not win a flag.The last thing we can afford to do is go into games negative with the likes of curnow armfield carrots  ellard in the same team.There is only room for one tagger type player and that should be carrots or curnow.
Like it or not at least it's my opinion

Re: Best 22 for 2014

Reply #188 –
Quote from: Slugger – on
Kruezer and. Warnock should never under any condition be allowedto play in the same team.neither can play forward on a consistent level.Warnock cannot run jump or mark the ball and as a ruck man he may get tap outs but how many to advantage .A nd if they both play in the same side our interchange becomes one man down.Kruezer is the better all round player and we should be using him with cas or Rowe as the back ups.I also think that blokes like Bell ,cas,Watson menzal should be played for the first 6 or 7 weeks and told before the season starts that's how long they have to prove themselves and not dropped after  1 or 2 games as until we can replace the likes of arm field and curnow and the likes with genuine footballers we will not win a flag.The last thing we can afford to do is go into games negative with the likes of curnow armfield carrots  ellard in the same team.There is only room for one tagger type player and that should be carrots or curnow.
Like it or not at least it's my opinion

Good on you, Slugger. You raise relevant issues and I bet the club is working hard on all of them.

There were signs late last season that 206 was doing more around the ground... and he kicked the first of the our first final!!! Likewise Kreuz was doing more around the ground and realising that he had to mark the aggott up forward and kick goals.

And, Mate, our midfield I suspect will be quite different this year... I wouldn't be surprised if Ellard finds it very hard to get a gig, and maybe Armfield as well.

Like your opinions, Slugger. :)
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: Best 22 for 2014

Reply #189 –
@Slugger

Interesting comments Slugger but IMO I don't think MM will be experimenting too much in our first few games, if that's what you are hinting at. That was all last year.
This year I believe he will definitely want to get a few early wins under his belt and that philosophy underpinned my selections.
Of course, those selections could be changed depending upon what happens between now and the start of the season in terms of injuries and how players actually perform.
The one certainty is that competition for a berth has definitely become a lot hotter and that can only be goodness, so we're likely to seem some early team changes driven by the greater depth of talent we now have, especially if we're not going as well as MM would like.
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: Best 22 for 2014

Reply #190 –
Ive long thought our best 3 talls to play forward are Waite, Henderson and Kreuzer and as a combination I think they would be worth a shot.

The other side of the coin is that i am now unsure of MK's body and ability up forward. I think when we have played the likes of MK, Hammer, RW206, Levi and Rowe forward they have not had the 1-2 punch of Waite and Hendo which would make a huge difference I believe to the 3rd tall/relief ruck. Hammer is now gawn, RW206 more a ruck only but as a man so tall standing in the goal square able to get some 1 on 1's (same for MK and the others mentioned) then I think they could be a nuisance with our 'main' key forward targets being Waite and Hencerson as CHF/FF and able to rotate those positions also which I think is important and underestimated.

My concern is that Waite will not last much longer and if we play the rucks as RW206/MK then we are not sure on their abilities as tall forwards, in particular MK as he would be more a 3rd tall forward/2nd ruck Id imagine in that circumstance.

Id be thinking toward the future at some stage with a combo of the new forward general in Henderson as your mainstay with support from Watson and Casboult. I think at this stage I have seem much more from Watto as a forward than a defender and Casboult, although has weaknesses, is the best out and out 'clunker' of the ball on our list and a much better grab than MK, RW206 and Rowe. Have MK as our pure ruck/follower workhorse.

Id look to this option as the season gets going after seeing who is doing what, how the team is travelling, etc.

 

Re: Best 22 for 2014

Reply #191 –
@ Pratty.

Do you think that part of the reason why Kreuzer is struggling in the forward role is that 1.  He hasnt quite been fit enough to do it properly, and 2.  He is lacking confidence in his ability to perform that role?

Early doors he looked more than competant and he has really dropped off a long way from the first glimpses where normally players go from strength to strength in getting better.

Perhaps he could eventually fill the role but needs to get "on a roll" if you know what I mean.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson
 

Re: Best 22 for 2014

Reply #192 –
Kreuzer is awful overhead and that's the reason why he wont make it as a forward.

His ability to judge the flight of the ball is average. He never initiates contact against his direct opponent hence is always knocked off balance when attempting to run at the ball. Even if he does initiate contact his body work is suspect at best.

Last year at times he was used as a long get out option from half back and the ball was directed to him with a long kick to the wing. He would struggle to even get his hands to the ball let alone mark it. Casboult showed him how it was done.
Ignorance is bliss.

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Re: Best 22 for 2014

Reply #193 –
Quote from: PassIt2Carrots – on
Kreuzer is awful overhead and that's the reason why he wont make it as a forward.

Disagree with that one Carrots. Having watched the last couple of rounds and finals again recently thanks to Fox Footy, Kreuzer took some very strong marks, under pressure and above the shoulders.

Don't forget he had his thumb strapped for most of the season, which did restrict his marking

Re: Best 22 for 2014

Reply #194 –
Fair enough, I'm going by his entire career at Carlton. It's been tried many a time and failed, I think he did well in one game in his first season and then the oppo figured out you can knock him off balance and he's rendered useless. If he could initiate first contact in an aggressive manner to shake his opponent he may improve. I wont hold my breath.
Ignorance is bliss.

ONWARDS AND UPWARDS!