VFL 2023 Bye week: Carlton vs U18's at Marvel

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VFL 2023 Bye week: Carlton vs U18's at Marvel

May 12, 2023, 11:01:52 pm

Not sure if I can get to the this game or not. But I'd be interested in seeing it.

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Reply #1 – May 13, 2023, 05:43:28 pm

Not very inspiring. Getting a lesson from a patchwork crew of 17yr olds.

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Reply #2 – May 13, 2023, 06:25:26 pm

Gee Tyreece L has sure dropped off on last year's form.

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Reply #3 – May 13, 2023, 06:27:52 pm

Academy win by 4pts. 13.8 to 13.4

Ronke 4 gls.

LOB probably our best. Fogarty busy.

We missed Dow

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Reply #4 – May 13, 2023, 06:33:44 pm

Accurate goalkicking

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Reply #5 – May 13, 2023, 07:20:01 pm

Suns Academy player Rogers was dominant throughout the 13.8 (86) to 13.4 (82) victory under the roof at Marvel Stadium on Saturday as the group of the country's best draft prospects toppled the more experienced Blues line-up that contained nearly 10 AFL-listed players.
Shame!

Re: VFL 2023 Bye week: Carlton vs U18's at Marvel

Reply #6 – May 14, 2023, 10:27:11 am

Quote from: Baggers – on May 13, 2023, 06:27:52 pm

LOB probably our best. Fogarty busy.

I'm afraid that's a very low bar.

Although, Jack Martin occasionally showed some of the skills that made him a 'potential' AFL star and Honey occasionally flashed the speed and kicking ability that seems to have 'earned' him recent games but not often enough.

Jack Carroll seems to have gone backwards.

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Reply #7 – May 14, 2023, 10:47:34 am

Quote from: RiverRat – on May 14, 2023, 10:27:11 am

Although, Jack Martin occasionally showed some of the skills that made him a 'potential' AFL star and Honey occasionally flashed the speed and kicking ability that seems to have 'earned' him recent games but not often enough.

Jack Carroll seems to have gone backwards.

I didn't see the game and can't help being disappointed in both the result and the way we played. However, I can't help but note these 3 points that RR brought up.
[1] Martin has been a huge disappointment. He is terribly fragile and never seems as fit as he needs to be. Then he shows some moments of magic and we think, 'At last!' only to be disappointed when he disappears out of the game again. Then there is his goal-kicking, which is on par with H's.
Of all the players SOS brought in, he has been the most disappointing. I would not have recruited him.

[2] Josh Honey also disappoints. He flashes in for a few moments per game and, again, doesn't hurt the opposition enough. He doesn't get enough ball and his opponents get a lot of it. You don't see him running anyone down. His tank seems poor. His kicking for goal is ordinary. He doesn't have a presence in the air, which he should.
He was a reasonable punt, but he isn't what we need.

[3] Jack Carroll has gone backwards. That said, maybe we should give him a go in the seniors to see if he can step up. I doubt it at this point, but I am willing to be surprised. His kicking style is unreliable and he doesn't do enough for long enough. Many the WA teams were right in not selecting him. I hate saying that, but he really needs to show more. Some real pace would be nice, too.

[4] Apparently Lochie O'Brien was out best player yesterday. He would want to be. I can't see him with us next year; he doesn't have good enough decision making and he simply isn't hard enough.

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Reply #8 – May 14, 2023, 11:01:27 am

Quote from: crashlander – on May 14, 2023, 10:47:34 am

Apparently Lochie O'Brien was out best player yesterday. He would want to be. I can't see him with us next year; he doesn't have good enough decision making and he simply isn't hard enough.

Also turns the ball over too often for a supposedly good kick.

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Reply #9 – May 14, 2023, 11:34:04 am

Quote from: RiverRat – on May 14, 2023, 11:01:27 am

Also turns the ball over too often for a supposedly good kick.

Indeed. His inability to hit a team mate is a sin we can't afford at the moment, with so many others struggling with the same issue.

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Reply #10 – May 14, 2023, 01:44:14 pm

I'm not sure i would be wasting anymore time on Honey, Carroll.....throw in Philp.
Unless Dow and LOB can show some real form in the 1's before the end of the year, they are probably next in line.

Martin....i don't think running around in the 2's is his thing. I get the impression he feels its beneath him, or at least doesn't put in his best when he's playing 2's.
He has quite a few more gears he can go to when he is in form and confident....we should play him in the 1's and give him a role that can feed his ego and get him near his best.
If his body continues to break down though...it might be time to send him packing too.

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Reply #11 – May 14, 2023, 05:14:30 pm

Quote from: kruddler – on May 14, 2023, 01:44:14 pm

I'm not sure i would be wasting anymore time on Honey, Carroll.....throw in Philp.
Unless Dow and LOB can show some real form in the 1's before the end of the year, they are probably next in line.

Martin....i don't think running around in the 2's is his thing. I get the impression he feels its beneath him, or at least doesn't put in his best when he's playing 2's.
He has quite a few more gears he can go to when he is in form and confident....we should play him in the 1's and give him a role that can feed his ego and get him near his best.
If his body continues to break down though...it might be time to send him packing too.

Yep
If he's fit enough to play he plays seniors.
He provides something different to what we have there at the moment.
But it's very much a last chance and if he goes down with an injury that's the ball game.

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Reply #12 – May 14, 2023, 05:30:08 pm

Quote from: kruddler – on May 14, 2023, 01:44:14 pm

I'm not sure i would be wasting anymore time on Honey, Carroll.....throw in Philp.
Unless Dow and LOB can show some real form in the 1's before the end of the year, they are probably next in line.

Martin....i don't think running around in the 2's is his thing. I get the impression he feels its beneath him, or at least doesn't put in his best when he's playing 2's.
He has quite a few more gears he can go to when he is in form and confident....we should play him in the 1's and give him a role that can feed his ego and get him near his best.
If his body continues to break down though...it might be time to send him packing too.

"Feed his ego." I hope that was a slip of the tongue. That's about the last thing you want to do if he's to be a good team-mate. The best team players think 'us/we' long before they consider 'I/me.'

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Reply #13 – May 14, 2023, 07:50:41 pm

At this point in time Martin should approach every game like it's going to be his last, because it could be. If he's not prepared to put in playing twos, or any game for that matter, clean out your locker champ.