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Re: AFL Rd 11 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #60
Dow's strength at U18 level was his ability to burst away from stoppages and blow past defenders who usually didn't have the strength to drag him down. He was continually running and doing what he liked, didn't need many tricks or evasive skills and never had any composure at the end of his runs and just sprayed the ball. But when you get it 40 times a match no one was complaining if at least half of his disposals went in the right direction. He kicked a lot of goals for a mid too and hence he looked like a ready made player who would suit us. The problem is he has never adjusted his game from U18 level or gained the nous and awareness needed and I'm bemused what our assistants and VFL coaches have been doing with him.
He has needed so much more senior football and patience to bring him up to speed and change how he plays...LDU has had that at North and become a player, we have just given up on Dow and let him become a zombie with no identity at the club or at senior level. Its just been a complete development debacle.....

Those observations seem consistent with what he has brought to the table for the Baggers - when he has tried to run with the ball he has generally run in a straight line, which has made him easy to catch, and has not demonstrated any significant evasive skills, which might have been developed by coaching but never were.

Re: AFL Rd 11 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #61
Interesting you say the three butchered the ball, I agree about previous weeks but Acres ran at 96DE% for his 25 touches (of which 24 are listed as effective) which is outstanding.

Acres used the ball much better on the weekend but he used it differently

v Bulldogs- 17 disposals 8 kicks 9 handballs at 47%
v Collingwood -25 disposals 7 kicks 18 handballs 96%

...a much better chance of hitting a target with a handball. I suspect they told him "Don't kick the bloody thing"

Re: AFL Rd 11 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #62
Our problem wasnt what Acres was doing with the ball it was what his opponents were doing and both J.Daicos and Sidebottom had their usual days out on the wings against us again.
An interesting stat was the metres gained.....J. Daicos was at 680m, Sidebum at 332m and Acres at 116m...Acres must have been handballing to himself because he wasnt advancing the ball much.
Our best was Charlie Curnow who was a touch below 600m....carrying the forward line and working his guts out, he can be proud of how he is playing.

Re: AFL Rd 11 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #63
Our problem wasnt what Acres was doing with the ball it was what his opponents were doing and both J.Daicos and Sidebottom had their usual days out on the wings against us again.
An interesting stat was the metres gained.....J. Daicos was at 680m, Sidebum at 332m and Acres at 116m...Acres must have been handballing to himself because he wasnt advancing the ball much.

You don't gain a lot of metres with 18 handballs...but yep, he was nowhere near as effective as the magpies

Re: AFL Rd 11 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #64
Our problem wasnt what Acres was doing with the ball it was what his opponents were doing and both J.Daicos and Sidebottom had their usual days out on the wings against us again.
An interesting stat was the metres gained.....J. Daicos was at 680m, Sidebum at 332m and Acres at 116m...Acres must have been handballing to himself because he wasnt advancing the ball much.
Our best was Charlie Curnow who was a touch below 600m....carrying the forward line and working his guts out, he can be proud of how he is playing.
I actually did the sums on MG for both teams the other, there was only about 200m odd difference between the two teams. 219m to be exact.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: AFL Rd 11 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #65
The non-selection of Dow is a mystery. If they weren't going to play him, why not just delist him in October last year and pay him out...similar to what West Coast did with Zac Langdon who they recruited from GWS. Like most, I'm a huge critic of the guy but there must be something fundamentally and majorly wrong with what he's doing in the VFL that is stopping him from getting a game at the moment when the team is struggling. Yes, there's a big difference between the standards...but getting 40 possessions must mean at least he's getting to the ball? Our delivery into the forward 50 couldn't be any worse. Credit to the guy for keeping his head up and fronting up each week and working hard in the VFL...he could've very easily just pulled the pin.

Re: AFL Rd 11 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #66
The non-selection of Dow is a mystery. If they weren't going to play him, why not just delist him in October last year and pay him out...similar to what West Coast did with Zac Langdon who they recruited from GWS. Like most, I'm a huge critic of the guy but there must be something fundamentally and majorly wrong with what he's doing in the VFL that is stopping him from getting a game at the moment when the team is struggling. Yes, there's a big difference between the standards...but getting 40 possessions must mean at least he's getting to the ball? Our delivery into the forward 50 couldn't be any worse. Credit to the guy for keeping his head up and fronting up each week and working hard in the VFL...he could've very easily just pulled the pin.
It is really very strange and I feel for the kid.

Surprised we haven’t heard rumblings about it from his family in the media… what is going on!? Surely we have a right to an explanation seeing he was our number 1 draft pick too?!

Re: AFL Rd 11 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #67
I think we have enough handball first players in the midfield tbh. We need top end footskills. Binns is showing tremendous potential but needs to put on 10kilos.
We need players that can kick to advantage. I think Cerra and Walsh are the only two that can do it consistently.
One reason I think Doc is pushed to the midfield is due to his kicking skills and ability to kick to advantage and even he struggles with it. These money ball kicks like Pendles, Daicos, Sidebottom do consistently will win you more games than lose.

Re: AFL Rd 11 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #68
Docherty needs to go back. He is the general of the backline.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 11 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #69
I would be hard to pick JSOS this week, what role is he supposed to be playing?
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: AFL Rd 11 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #70
Im actually worried about Doc getting up.
He pulled up and was rubbing his right hammy and then went off and they were rubbing his left !
Let’s go BIG !

Re: AFL Rd 11 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #71
Im actually worried about Doc getting up.
He pulled up and was rubbing his right hammy and then went off and they were rubbing his left !
Cramping
"Ruck, ruck, ruck, ruck ....... Ruck, ruck, ruck, ruck"


 

Re: AFL Rd 11 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #73
More than anything, the thing that I would love to see with our group this Friday night is a concerted effort to focus on trust in each other and leadership.

We know that they all know how to kick, handball, tackle, run, mark and so on. But this really does look like a group bereft of trust in themselves, trust in each other (which destroys any opportunity to build confidence) and strong on-field leadership.

We have been doing plenty of things to undermine trust... silly misses on goal, dropped marks, poor handballs, silly choices/options - all symptoms of a lack of trust/confidence. A vicious cycle. The result? Playing safe, slow footy. No risks or boldness. Easily defeated/deflated.

To be candid, and I declare my bias having come from a military background/environment (Navy), I'd get a retired (you're never an 'ex') Navy Seal into the place to put these blokes through the exercises/disciplines required to build trust and leadership. Declarations of 'working harder' are rubbish, not to mention the implication that we've not being working hard enough. There are no issues with effort. 'Working smarter' would be more appropriate. And this cr@p about not getting too high or too low is a recipe for beige. The skill is to limit and contain the big highs and lows. Allow the highs and hurts for a time, then harness.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 11 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #74
More than anything, the thing that I would love to see with our group this Friday night is a concerted effort to focus on trust in each other and leadership.

We know that they all know how to kick, handball, tackle, run, mark and so on. But this really does look like a group bereft of trust in themselves, trust in each other (which destroys any opportunity to build confidence) and strong on-field leadership.

We have been doing plenty of things to undermine trust... silly misses on goal, dropped marks, poor handballs, silly choices/options - all symptoms of a lack of trust/confidence. A vicious cycle. The result? Playing safe, slow footy. No risks or boldness. Easily defeated/deflated.

To be candid, and I declare my bias having come from a military background/environment (Navy), I'd get a retired (you're never an 'ex') Navy Seal into the place to put these blokes through the exercises/disciplines required to build trust and leadership. Declarations of 'working harder' are rubbish, not to mention the implication that we've not being working hard enough. There are no issues with effort. 'Working smarter' would be more appropriate. And this cr@p about not getting too high or too low is a recipe for beige. The skill is to limit and contain the big highs and lows. Allow the highs and hurts for a time, then harness.
I watched a clip from Footy Classified where both Bartell and Lloyd said Voss should be focusing on the positives in an effort to build up the their confidence which is rock bottom right now. Jimmy in particular said the Geel group responded to that type of reinforcement far better than the reviews which were all about showing vision and saying "you should have done this, you should have done that". He suggested show them highlights of the good passages of play say from early last year to remind them them they good footballer, are Brownlow Medallists, are Coleman Medallists, can execute under pressure. I think right now, it appears to me the whole club is as low as pregnant ant so this level of reinforcement needs to start from the leaders top down.
Anyway, I found the comments interesting but certainly worth trying some Navy Seal type stuff. That SAS TV show is exactly what its all about.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time