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Re: Does anyone have access to advanced stats?

Reply #15 –
Cerra: 2022: 11.8 Average, 2023: 13.8 Above Average +22%

Saad: 2022: 13.1 Elite, 2023: 13.1 Elite

Charlie C. 2022: 12.4 Elite, 2023: 15.6 Elite +26%

Ed Curnow 2022: N/A, 2023: 5.9 Below Average

Hewett: 2022: 14.8 Above Average, 2023: 9.7 Below Average -35%

McKay: 2022: 9.3 Above Average, 2023: 7.0 Average -25%

Motlop: 2022: 6.4 Average, 2023: 8.6 Average +34%

Owies: 2022: 7.7 Average, 2023: 9.1 Above Average +26%

Cripps: 2022: 16.0 Elite, 2023: 12.5 Average -22%

Walsh: 2022: 12.3 Average, 2023: 10.7 Below Average -14%

Fisher 2022: 9.2 Above Average, 2023 5.8 Below Average -38%

Kennedy: 2022: 11.4 Average, 2023 10.1 Below Average -11%

There were a few other players but they didn't change much.

2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

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Reply #16 –
I did not expect to see that Motlop and Owies had improved that much. Well done to both. The others are all about where I thought they might be.

Re: Does anyone have access to advanced stats?

Reply #17 –
Be interested to see a few names if you could...the KPPs

Weitering
Young
Pittonet
TDK
SOJ
Charlie

Re: Does anyone have access to advanced stats?

Reply #18 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
There were a few other players but they didn't change much.
Have I missed something, what are the numbers counting?

If it's some overall rating, how is it calculated?

I'm a bit dubious, because I notice some players who have missed games through injury seem to be negative, that suggests someone has made a oopsy in calculating averages. For example, game for game Walsh came back in and went to the top of the Carlton ratings tree relative to other Carlton players. Most ratings and stat analysis I have read have Walsh on average ahead of last season, yet those stats above have him on a downer!
"Ruck, ruck, ruck, ruck ....... Ruck, ruck, ruck, ruck"

Re: Does anyone have access to advanced stats?

Reply #19 –
Quote from: LP – on
Have I missed something, what are the numbers counting?

If it's some overall rating, how is it calculated?


It's an AFL rating whether you agree with how they come up with it or not they are comparing the player with themselves from last year. If they changed position that could effect the ranking but most are in the same role.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: Does anyone have access to advanced stats?

Reply #20 –
Quote from: LP – on
Have I missed something, what are the numbers counting?

If it's some overall rating, how is it calculated?

I'm a bit dubious, because I notice some players who have missed games through injury seem to be negative, that suggests someone has made a oopsy in calculating averages. For example, game for game Walsh came back in and went to the top of the Carlton ratings tree.

They have the games played. It's interactive and won't let me copy and paste.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

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Reply #21 –
Weitering 2022: 9.6 Above Average, 2023: 10.2 Above Average +6%

Young 2022: 10.7 Above Average, 2023: 9.9 Above Average -8%

Pittonet 2022: 9.5 Average, 2023: 9.2 Average

TDK: 2022: 9.9 Average, 2023: 8.8 Below Average -11%

SOJ: 2022: 9.3 Above Average: 2022: 7.8 Average -16%
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

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Reply #22 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
It's an AFL rating...........
I get that, an AFL rating of what?

For example, see the attached image of FinalSiren averages for Walsh to date.


"Ruck, ruck, ruck, ruck ....... Ruck, ruck, ruck, ruck"

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Reply #23 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
Weitering 2022: 9.6 Above Average, 2023: 10.2 Above Average +6%

Young 2022: 10.7 Above Average, 2023: 9.9 Above Average -8%
Not directed at you @madbluboy, now we know it's a rubbish rating, anyone who has invented a stat that shows Weiters and Young in better shape for 2023 than 2022 is a lunatic!
"Ruck, ruck, ruck, ruck ....... Ruck, ruck, ruck, ruck"

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Reply #24 –
C Durdin: 2022: 6.4 Average, 2023: 7.8 Average +21%
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

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Reply #25 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
Weitering 2022: 9.6 Above Average, 2023: 10.2 Above Average +6%

Young 2022: 10.7 Above Average, 2023: 9.9 Above Average -8%

Pittonet 2022: 9.5 Average, 2023: 9.2 Average

TDK: 2022: 9.9 Average, 2023: 8.8 Below Average -11%

SOJ: 2022: 9.3 Above Average: 2022: 7.8 Average -16%

Thanks. Thats pretty much exactly as i expected.

Thought we were being too harsh on Weiters....and not harsh enough on Young.
Knew SOJ was down and thought our 2 rucks were the same, was suprised to see TDK down

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Reply #26 –
Quote from: LP – on
Should that 13th for turnovers be a red or a green, are they opposition turnovers or our turnovers?

We’ve had fewer turnovers than 12 other teams and 13th for turnovers gets a green. 

It’s all a bit circular though; getting so many marks and good disposal efficiency means fewer turnovers.  Fewer inside 50s means fewer marks, goals and tackles inside 50 - although our forward line is efficient.

Rebound 50s and bounces aren’t really dependent on other factors and they’re probably critical measures for us.

Saad is way off last year’s form, Doc is spending more time in the midfield and we’re missing Williams.
“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?”  Oddball

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Reply #27 –
For a few players they include rankings for kicking, marking, 1 on 1 contests etc. I will provide some tonight on topics.

Summary for me is the midfield has gone to poop. Cripps is only average, Kennedy and Hewett are below average.
Quote from: LP – on
I get that, an AFL rating of what?

For example, see the attached image of FinalSiren averages for Walsh to date.




The ratings compare them to other players. You can be a gun but if there are lot of people better than you then you might only be average.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!
 

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Reply #28 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
For a few players they include rankings for kicking, marking, 1 on 1 contests etc. I will provide some tonight on topics.

Summary for me is the midfield has gone to poop. Cripps is only average, Kennedy and Hewett are below average.
The ratings compare them to other players. You can be a gun but if there are lot of people better than you then you might only be average.

It's a bit like this....
A team can improve from the previous season....but if other teams improve at a greater rate than you and go past you then your wins and ladder position might actually go backwards.

I still think any ranking that uses a players output over a 22 game season is pretty dubious.
Just as an example...everyone points to the fact that Cripps kicked 20 goals last season or that he won a Brownlow when comparing his 2022 and 2023 season. The majority of those goal and votes were built up in the first 11 games of 2022.
Carrying injuries, different roles, extra burdens all impact over a season.
Jack Silvagni was just about a 'dead man walking' by season's end (...and I mean a zombie not a death row guy) after the demands on him last year.

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Reply #29 –
I know a stat we are a horrible team forward of centre.
..and because we are so bad this part of the game we need to defend much more than we would like.