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Re: AFL Rd 11 2023 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #75 –
This was our best team.

Fml

Re: AFL Rd 11 2023 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #76 –
Quote from: Vivs – on
We could list the ills of this game and club and break the server.

A standout marker for the collective failure is the continued selection of Ed Curnow. I don't know the fellow, and have no interest in picking on him as a person. Nevertheless he is 33. His disposal has never been at AFL standard, and appears to offer little in the way of direction to younger players. He is undersized and stays on the deck. His standout act on the field is the high hack kick.

So why is Ed Curnow playing? There is absolutely no valid reason for his selection. I thought 5 years ago that if he was still playing for us at league level then we were going nowhere. Yet here we are. It sets poor expectations of everyone. Having a go and the brother of a star player reeks of favouritism, poor standards and a general absence of accountability at the club.
Fair points...been a warrior but he is done and shouldn't play again.

Re: AFL Rd 11 2023 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #77 –
Clarification: I am not in the 'sack Vossy' camp. No. Despite some of his shortcomings game day. He needs better support... strategic, experienced, game day support.

Definitely not in the drop H camp. Would be the worst thing to do. He'll get through this slump... should swallow his pride and let Fev down to help him out. When in a slump, accept quality support and direction.

Things can turn around quickly.

The forced changes for next week will be a blessing in disguise. Cincotta for Newman will be a no brainer. Dow must get a gig (for Hewett). Binns for Hollands. Sorry but Ed needs to go as well, his disposal is dispiriting. Fisher has earned a recall.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17
 

Re: AFL Rd 11 2023 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #78 –
Quote from: Baggers – on
Clarification: I am not in the 'sack Vossy' camp. No. Despite some of his shortcomings game day. He needs better support... strategic, experienced, game day support.

Definitely not in the drop H camp. Would be the worst thing to do. He'll get through this slump... should swallow his pride and let Fev down to help him out. When in a slump, accept quality support and direction.

Things can turn around quickly.

The forced changes for next week will be a blessing in disguise. Cincotta for Newman will be a no brainer. Dow must get a gig (for Hewett). Binns for Hollands. Sorry but Ed needs to go as well, his disposal is dispiriting. Fisher has earned a recall.
Voss needs time.
The list isn't as good/skilled as many think, needs a fair old haircut at seasons end.
We fielded almost our best team on paper last night, 5 injuries and a suspension coming out of the game, lets see who we bring in from the 2s as replacements. It will show how fragile/flaky it actually is.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 11 2023 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #79 –
List needs work and we have too many good ordinary footballers.
Voss isn't a great tactician that he can change things up on the fly and we don't have enough of those players who can play multiple roles at a decent level.
Lack of pace is apparent and seeing Marchbank and Plowman plodding around in the twos plus Ed in the ones made me think we need to act and move on the list this seasons end and probably have a list reset where we have a decent clean out , maybe take a step back and retool with some younger ,quicker and more durable players suited to the modern game that teams like Collingwood are playing.
Time to get a recruiter that understands our weak areas and has more idea than Austin does...

Re: AFL Rd 11 2023 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #80 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
List needs work and we have too many good ordinary footballers.
Voss isn't a great tactician that he can change things up on the fly and we don't have enough of those players who can play multiple roles at a decent level.
Lack of pace is apparent and seeing Marchbank and Plowman plodding around in the twos plus Ed in the ones made me think we need to act and move on the list this seasons end and probably have a list reset where we have a decent clean out , maybe take a step back and retool with some younger ,quicker and more durable players suited to the modern game that teams like Collingwood are playing.
Time to get a recruiter that understands our weak areas and has more idea than Austin does...

We'll see what Curly's boy is made of at seasons end but surely we bin these for a start:
Edward Curnow
Lochie O'Brien
Lachie Fogarty
David Cuningham
Sam Philp
Josh Honey
Lachlan Plowman
Jack Martin
Caleb Marchbank

Trade wise, apart from a hand full (and I mean a hand full) of obvious untouchables, everyone else is on the trade table AFAIC. We can't keep turning out the same blokes year after year who can't advance us into the 8.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 11 2023 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #81 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
We'll see what Curly's boy is made of at seasons end but surely we bin these for a start:
Edward Curnow
Lochie O'Brien
Lachie Fogarty
David Cuningham
Sam Philp
Josh Honey
Lachlan Plowman
Jack Martin
Caleb Marchbank

Trade wise, apart from a hand full (and I mean a hand full) of obvious untouchables, everyone else is on the trade table AFAIC. We can't keep turning out the same blokes year after year who can't advance us into the 8.
Who is untouchable?

Re: AFL Rd 11 2023 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #82 –
On a positive note, I didn’t have to think too hard about my first guess at this morning’s Wordle. “LOSER”.

p.s. spoiler alert - don’t bother, it’s not “LOSER”
Keyboard warrior #24601

Re: AFL Rd 11 2023 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #83 –
Positives from last night’s debacle
1:  the dramatic improvement in Weiters from previous weeks.
2: A more attacking mindset moving the ball out of the back line.
3:  Cotters proving that he is a serious AFL footballer.

That’s about it.

Re: AFL Rd 11 2023 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #84 –
What really stood out to me, and everyone I’m sure, is how badly we handball. We make it as difficult as possible for the receiver to grab it cleanly and be able to use it quickly.

It’s either at their feet, loopy, off mark - which just kills the momentum.

Also we cannot kick for goals.  Syd barely missed one in front, we missed so many.  (This is tongue in cheek - clearly we are crap in this area at the moment and everyone can see it!!!!)

Re: AFL Rd 11 2023 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #85 –
Browny highlighted that last week
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: AFL Rd 11 2023 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #86 –
Quote from: Micky0 – on
What really stood out to me, and everyone I’m sure, is how badly we handball. We make it as difficult as possible for the receiver to grab it cleanly and be able to use it quickly.

It’s either at their feet, loopy, off mark - which just kills the momentum.

Also we cannot kick for goals.  Syd barely missed one in front, we missed so many.

This is IMO, definitely a confidence / above the shoulders issue. You can bet London to a brick that in training their skills are sublime. In matches they turn to hot potatoes.

Re: AFL Rd 11 2023 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #87 –
What stands out too is lack of correct tackling

We have two or three players tackling around the waist, leaving arms free to dispose of the ball.  Meanwhile our 2-3 guys all go down In the tackle.

Grab the screwing arms ffs!

So yea the endeavour is there but the on the spot thought process is not - and the end result is we have players go down, they get ball out, and we’re exhausted all over the field because we’re all doing the same thing and expending energy for no reward.

Re: AFL Rd 11 2023 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #88 –
The entire squad, and certainly blokes like McKay, could definitely benefit from a successful implementation of the "windscreen wiper" mentality that McRae talks about.

Re: AFL Rd 11 2023 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #89 –
6.15 & one OOF !!!!

FMD, you are never going to win any games when you kick like that.

This is not THE issue but its one of them.

We can't keep sacking coaches so let Voss stay till the end of his contract (2024) and if things haven't turned around THEN show him the door.

Seriously scrutinise the assistant coaches, clearly Voss needs some better help around him and FFS, can we bring in a specialist kicking coach ??

As for the players, many Blues fans have looked at way too many of them through their navy blue goggles and think they are all Brownlow medallists. I'm here to tell you, as I have been for far too friggen' long, they aren't.

We can't afford another 'ground zero' rebuild but we can pick off the low-hanging fruit as there is too many of them that fit into that category. Be extremely judicious with the playing list, no "maybes" or "hope-so's". They are either competent & capable or they aren't, if they aren't, they get the boot !!

Go to the draft & the penal leagues and get some guys with some aggro & grunt, as Brother Elwood would say, no more Von Trapps !!     

And lastly, no more stupid long-term contracts. 2 or 3 year deals with options for another 2 or 3 years, we need our players to always be on edge, not complacent in the knowledge they are going to be comfortablely paid for the forseeable future.

Added to that, restructure all player contracts so that they get their base wage (which is somewhat reduced) PLUS an extra amount on top if they win (extra 25% just like they do in the suburban & country leagues) and then watch how desperate the players become. Some natural leaders will emerge from this structure too as they will be pointing the finger at the malingerers who are atually costing them money.  

Build in other incentives like number of goals kicked, number of tackles laid etc, the more you do on the field the more you get paid, it's not that hard to work out and I'm 100% certain it will yield serious results.

These guys hold some trade collateral and we must extract maximum trade value for them even though all clubs will be somewhat bullish about them : 

TRADE
Tom De Koning
Mitch McGovern
Zac Fisher
Jack Silvagni
Paddy Dow
Jack Carroll
Corey Durdin

If we can get a trade any of these guys then that is terrific, even if it's a late draft pick, it's better than nothing, otherwise, just delist them (i.e. free to a good home) :

DELIST
Lochie O'Brien
Lachie Fogarty
Lachie Plowman
Jack Martin
Caleb Marchbank
David Cuningham
Ed Curnow
Sam Durdin
Dominic Akuei
Josh Honey
Sam Philp
"The Other Teams Can Rot In Hell"