Carlton Supporters Club

6.15 & one OOF !!!!

FMD, you are never going to win any games when you kick like that.

This is not THE issue but its one of them.

We can't keep sacking coaches so let Voss stay till the end of his contract (2024) and if things haven't turned around THEN show him the door.

Seriously scrutinise the assistant coaches, clearly Voss needs some better help around him and FFS, can we bring in a specialist kicking coach ??

As for the players, many Blues fans have looked at way too many of them through their navy blue goggles and think they are all Brownlow medallists. I'm here to tell you, as I have been for far too friggen' long, they aren't.

We can't afford another 'ground zero' rebuild but we can pick off the low-hanging fruit as there is too many of them that fit into that category. Be extremely judicious with the playing list, no "maybes" or "hope-so's". They are either competent & capable or they aren't, if they aren't, they get the boot !!

Go to the draft & the penal leagues and get some guys with some aggro & grunt, as Brother Elwood would say, no more Von Trapps !!     

And lastly, no more stupid long-term contracts. 2 or 3 year deals with options for another 2 or 3 years, we need our players to always be on edge, not complacent in the knowledge they are going to be comfortablely paid for the forseeable future.

Added to that, restructure all player contracts so that they get their base wage (which is somewhat reduced) PLUS an extra amount on top if they win (extra 25% just like they do in the suburban & country leagues) and then watch how desperate the players become. Some natural leaders will emerge from this structure too as they will be pointing the finger at the malingerers who are atually costing them money.  

Build in other incentives like number of goals kicked, number of tackles laid etc, the more you do on the field the more you get paid, it's not that hard to work out and I'm 100% certain it will yield serious results.

These guys hold some trade collateral and we must extract maximum trade value for them even though all clubs will be somewhat bullish about them : 

TRADE
Tom De Koning
Mitch McGovern
Zac Fisher
Jack Silvagni
Paddy Dow
Jack Carroll
Corey Durdin

If we can get a trade any of these guys then that is terrific, even if it's a late draft pick, it's better than nothing, otherwise, just delist them (i.e. free to a good home) :

DELIST
Lochie O'Brien
Lachie Fogarty
Lachie Plowman
Jack Martin
Caleb Marchbank
David Cuningham
Ed Curnow
Sam Durdin
Dominic Akuei
Josh Honey
Sam Philp

Who is untouchable?

They went the bomb approach because the Swans had no talls down back...but the expectation was that Harry and Charlie might be able to get some through the big sticks and TDK might be able to make a few stick in his hands but alas no cigar on any of those expectations.

Charlie, Weiters, Walsh, Cerra, Hollands (yes the first year bloke), Cowan (the other first year) Saad, Pitto, at a pinch, Cottrell (yes Cottrell). The rest, including the skipper (yes Patrick you, the reigning Brownlow medallist), Harry (our full fwd), if someone gives us something for decent for the "better" ones, I'd do it. We hang on to blokes, we trust blokes, we pump them up, we make them captain, etc etc etc. We sack coach after coach but some of these guys have seen off 3, 4 even 5 of them. Enough is farken enough. We lost to a team who nearly lost to North if it wasn't for a freak free kick in the dying minutes. Come on guys, ENOUGH. Either that or sack another coach, personally I sort of stopped giving a flying fark about this club a few weeks ago. They are a laughing stock.

I reckon for the whole night lucky if we took 4-5 contested pack marks by talks. So even if we didn’t miss one it’s still only 4-5 goals against a severely undermanned defence.

Dumb dumb dumb.

Paul, given stats, every side should have about five years of good, five of bad and ten middling (heading up or down) every 29 years, given the life of a really  good senior players is about 15 years.  Some clubs eg Geelong, Cats have actually rebuilt numerous times in the last twenty years and defied gravity so to speak.

We haven't been better than middling for thirty years. That's a statistical outlier - you couldn't be as crap as we are, for as long as we have, without almost deliberately wanting to not get better..we're St Kilda 1970-2000.

No doubt our decline since 2001 has been precipitous. We certainly want to get better, no doubt about that. We've had a succession of people in that time, at every level of the organisation : board, CEO, Head of football, senior coach, assistant coaches, high performance, medical / rehab. Hundreds of players have been turned over in that time. And yet here we are. All those that have come and gone are supposedly professional, competent, committed. I certainly believe they are. Many have come from successful organisations, and have come in specifically because we want them to impart some of that successful culture to us. I'm quite convinced that a materialist / atomistic approach is not adequate to understand or solve the problems. I don't think you can, ahead of time, be fully cognisant that if you add this person plus this coach plus this player etc. you will achieve success. I'm certainly not suggesting anything supernatural, but there is some greater whole, beyond intentionality and hope, that gets created for successful clubs, probably by accident, within a given time period. It certainly involves good planning and good decisions, but something more IMO.

The heat is on over here in the West on Simpson and the Eagles because of their performances in the last 2 and a bit seasons. We belted them but realistically, are we much better off at the moment? They have about 16 of their starting 23 out with injuries so they have some excuses, and some poor list management hasn't helped. Calls for sackings from the top down....CEO, board and coach or a combination. Fans are losing it.

We had 4 picks in the top 20 in 2015 and got Weitering, McKay, Curnow and Cunningham. The first 3 were/are AA level players in recent years. Then we've had Walsh and burnt top 10 picks on Dow, O'Brien and SPS. Not to mention long term deals on pretty big $$$ to bring in Martin, Williams and McGovern...and given up top 10 draft picks to bring in Saad and Cerra.

And after all that, we're likely to be in the bottom 6 by the end of this weekend with really only one "genuine" win this year over Geelong. The two wins over North and WCE are meaningless.

We've shown in the last two seasons that our best is good enough. Even the first 15 minutes last night, we absolutely dominated that game....and still lost by 5 goals. Yet something just has to be wrong internally at the club for this to just be almost like we're back where we started. We have the players....we have/had nearly a full list to choose from for last night's game....yet we look so far off being a top 8 side it's not funny. Some bits last night were just about laughable...it's that sad. To see McGovern and Weitering fly for a mark and spoil each other 40m out from the opposition goal. To see blokes just continually turning it over. If we were happy to drop JSOS for a couple of weeks of poor form, then McKay simply has to go this week. Lost count of how many marks he fluffed last night and when he DID get it, he couldn't hit a pig in the bum with a frying pan.

Melbourne and Essendon in the next two weeks with likely 4 or 5 blokes out injured.....we're seriously looking at a bottom 4 finish now....after everything that last year promised.