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Re: AFL Rd 11 2023 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #105 –
Quote from: LoveNavy – on
Indeed. The whole is more than the sum of its parts.

My guess of the mystery component has something to do with fun. When there's a sort of harmony within the club. So that all individuals feel safe, valued, and strongly committed to the greater good. Where all individuals are well matched to their very clear goals. Where performance is reviewed regularly with transparency, learning focus, and clear process forward.

Of course the bringing together of those individuals is the most important process of all. Ok. I'm just dreaming now. Guess that's my way of coping with another disappointment 😞

Go Blues

Yes, nice post and I agree. Despite the best efforts of dozens, possibly hundreds of competent people, the moment when it all clicks and comes together is random and unpredictable. No club will ever come out and say that, and supporters don't want to hear it, but IMO it's true.

Geelong are an outlier to some degree. A better comparison for us would probably be Richmond, Western Bulldogs, and Melbourne, all three of whom were mired in nothingness for ever, and then suddenly got their sh1t together against all expectations.

I'm certainly not suggesting we do nothing. Clearly we need to be proactive and attack the problem on as many fronts as we can. 

Re: AFL Rd 11 2023 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #106 –
Thry...at one point it was 2.4 to 1 goal and we were getting plenty of the ball, bombing it into the F50....we had the tackling pressure right up and not sure what the inside 50 stat was but we were miles in front at that stage but just couldn't finish off in front of goal. But all those missed shots seemed to just sap the confidence of everyone. Charlie was marking everything in sight....except they were all up the ground mostly.

Re: AFL Rd 11 2023 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #107 –
Quote from: WASurfer – on
Thry...at one point it was 2.4 to 1 goal and we were getting plenty of the ball, bombing it into the F50....we had the tackling pressure right up and not sure what the inside 50 stat was but we were miles in front at that stage but just couldn't finish off in front of goal. But all those missed shots seemed to just sap the confidence of everyone. Charlie was marking everything in sight....except they were all up the ground mostly.
This is a huge factor IMO.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 11 2023 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #109 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
Yes, and it becomes a reinforcement loop.
Yes agreed
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 11 2023 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #110 –
One of the biggest confidence sappers at the moment is H.  Spectators are deflated by his misses, think how the players must feel.

Rather than dropping him to the 2s, why not acknowledge that he is not a forward and put him on the backline.  His brother is successful in defence, why not Harry?  At the moment we are trying to force a square peg into a round hole.

Re: AFL Rd 11 2023 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #111 –
Quote from: Macca37 – on
One of the biggest confidence sappers at the moment is H.  Spectators are deflated by his misses, think how the players must feel.

Rather than dropping him to the 2s, why not acknowledge that he is not a forward and put him on the backline.  His brother is successful in defence, why not Harry?  At the moment we are trying to force a square peg into a round hole.
Only reason I could think of not playing him back is that they have tried at training and he is clueless (no disrespect intended)
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 11 2023 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #112 –
Quote from: Macca37 – on
One of the biggest confidence sappers at the moment is H.  Spectators are deflated by his misses, think how the players must feel.

Rather than dropping him to the 2s, why not acknowledge that he is not a forward and put him on the backline.  His brother is successful in defence, why not Harry?  At the moment we are trying to force a square peg into a round hole.

My read of the 2's game suggests that's just what is being asked of Jack.

Here's a thought. H and Ben down back in 2024 😆 Could be a cheeky way to mix things up.
Coming together is the beginning.
Keeping together is progress.
Working together is success.
Henry Ford.

Re: AFL Rd 11 2023 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #113 –
If Harry doesn't play then Charlie will be one out and have half the opposition hanging off him.
I'd get Matthew Lloyd in and working with Harry.....maybe his brother can arrange it and start earning his money.

Re: AFL Rd 11 2023 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #114 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
If Harry doesn't play then Charlie will be one out and have half the opposition hanging off him.
I'd get Matthew Lloyd in and working with Harry.....maybe his brother can arrange it and start earning his money.
I was trying to explain that to me daughter on our walk this arvo. She says "they have to drop H Dad". If we do that, unless TDK plays full time fwd, Charlie has to contend with May and Lever who will smash him from all sides.
Again, I said to me daughter the other day it staggers me that Brad hasn't asked Matthew to come in and lend a hand. Maybe there are contractual issue that prohibit it.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 11 2023 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #115 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
Sorry did I see a different match?  Dominated the first 15 mins?

Just curious because I thought Sydney battled hard whilst we were scrapping and scraping and in a bit of an arm wrestle against a team with more hunger for the contest and a bit more physical to boot.  We endured that and tried to play footy more than anything but it was an ugly turnover filled match IMHO.
Yeah I think you did.

We had the better of the general play in the first quarter until the Swans kicked 3 goals in 4 minutes.    I am a little surprised with your thoughts as the general commentary  was that we had wasted our advantage and should have put some real scoreboard pressure on.

By the time the injuries came we should have been 3-4 goals up.

We had multiple inside 50's for points, while the Swans would march from one end to the other and score a goal.

If you looked at the general stats without the scores it would have been fair to assume a Carlton win

Re: AFL Rd 11 2023 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #116 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
If Harry doesn't play then Charlie will be one out and have half the opposition hanging off him.
I'd get Matthew Lloyd in and working with Harry.....maybe his brother can arrange it and start earning his money.

Play TDK, SOJ and Kennedy/Cripps along with Charlie up forward.

Can do without Harry for a week.

Re: AFL Rd 11 2023 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #117 –
Quote from: Macca37 – on
One of the biggest confidence sappers at the moment is H.  Spectators are deflated by his misses, think how the players must feel.

Rather than dropping him to the 2s, why not acknowledge that he is not a forward and put him on the backline.  His brother is successful in defence, why not Harry?  At the moment we are trying to force a square peg into a round hole.

His confidence is shot.   Not sure how you turn it around, but we have too

It was only round 1 when he was leading up to the wings clunking everything.   Took 11 marks against the Tigers to be one of our best.

Today is he dropping everything.   Not sure a run in the backline will turn around his form.

Re: AFL Rd 11 2023 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #118 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
We'll see what Curly's boy is made of at seasons end but surely we bin these for a start:
Edward Curnow
Lochie O'Brien
Lachie Fogarty
David Cuningham
Sam Philp
Josh Honey
Lachlan Plowman
Jack Martin
Caleb Marchbank

Trade wise, apart from a hand full (and I mean a hand full) of obvious untouchables, everyone else is on the trade table AFAIC. We can't keep turning out the same blokes year after year who can't advance us into the 8.
You can add Williams to that list!
 

Re: AFL Rd 11 2023 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #119 –
And after watching McG shirk contests again, chuck him on that list

Zero time for blokes that don't try and/or won't put their body in.  That kind of behaviour is an anathema to us progressing.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?