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Re: AFL Rd 12 Post Game Passing Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #75 –
It's quite bizarre across forums, fans bagging McGovern who was probably among our best, complaining about randomly dropped marks and poor disposal in greasy conditions, ..................... I suppose they wish we'd gone hard for Jones! :o

It seems when it comes to footy fans the old political mantra is best, do nothing and you can't be blamed for any mistakes!

It just shows how irrational fans can be, they are worried about the players getting involved in play and being imperfect and are largely oblivious to those who are missing in action!

There are even fans bagging Acres today for being ineffective on the wing, implying that we'd be better off with SoJ, SoJ the player who limped off at 1/2-time with 3 or 4 touches in a half, that's purely a case of mindless idolatry!

I gather it's uncomfortable for some to critique the ones they love, we I suppose that goes for all of us, but it doesn't make us right no matter how loud we become!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 12 Post Game Passing Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #76 –
Cripps was a liability out there, couldn't run at all and should not have played.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 12 Post Game Passing Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #77 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
Cripps was a liability out there, couldn't run at all and should not have played.

Couldn't have picked that would be the case....
Oh wait.  ::)

Re: AFL Rd 12 Post Game Passing Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #78 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
Cripps was a liability out there, couldn't run at all and should not have played.
Why do fans think some of us have been calling for him to step back, do they think it's because we hate him?

We are breaking this bloke.

He's an A-Grade AFL Midfielder, still the best of our best, but we are running him into the dirt and he's willing to do himself harm for the benefit of the team and club, but it might not be to our benefit in the long term! He needs time off, for himself and for the club, he needs to understand the basic rules of Game Theory, that the best outcome is obtained by "Doing what is right for yourself and the group!"

The smart move last night was to rest Cripps and if we bring in SoJ then play SoJ as a tall Mid, make the stoppage clearances 100% harder for the Dees by having bodies that can dump Gawn and Grundy and not be shoved aside by Petracca. Instead we ran Cripps into the ground, and moved SoJ one step closer to the end of his career!

Positives, at least we are starting to see what Kemp is capable of, he needs to get out of D50 next and become part of the on ball or perhaps even a wing rotation.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 12 Post Game Passing Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #79 –
madbluboy, Kuddler and LP all agreeing wow.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 12 Post Game Passing Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #80 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
madbluboy, Kuddler and LP all agreeing wow.
When you(fans) put away the navy blue glasses, it's pretty obvious, it's been obvious for weeks a few players aren't 100% and struggling to get involved.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 12 Post Game Passing Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #81 –
Am I missing something with Boyd? Why did we pick him up? Why is he being selected?

2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 12 Post Game Passing Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #83 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
Geelong and Melbourne were both slammed for the same thing the year before their flags.

Completely different lead ups to being slammed. We haven’t made the finals once since our long slow turtle pace full rebuild
Those 2 teams featured in big games before having a few unexpected bad years and then rebounding.

We have been waiting and waiting and waiting more and then went without firing a shot went backwards again. Not the same unfortunately.

Re: AFL Rd 12 Post Game Passing Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #85 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Kemp Weiters and H were positives tonight.
Never want to see Obrien, Boyd and dare I say it Young? wear a Carlton jumper again!

I thought Cincotta did a great job on Picket. Kept him to 6 kicks and picked 16 odd possessions himself.

Re: AFL Rd 12 Post Game Passing Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #86 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
8 more wins may get us finals.  On paper it's doable beating everyone we think we can beat (gold coast twice, essendon, gws again, hawthorn, St. Kilda, one of Melbourne, Collingwood, freo or Port adelaide and I forget the rest but 8 wins is very doable based on our run home) but the way we are currently performing makes it seem unlikely.   Thing is form can turn pretty fast and I really hope we are in conservation mods until the second half of the year.  Finals isn't done and dusted for us yet so I wouldn't be giving up on that just yet but the next two weeks have become really crucial.

Regarding our play, we have lost some of that excitement and dare but im convinced that's got to do more with our overall list health because the boys seem to want to go but seem incapable rather than anything else.

It can turnaround, we need to scrape a win against the bombers, and then get up over GC before the bye and then get rolling afterwards.  Very doable.  Only team I really fear in our run home is Port adelaide but unfortunately I've lost trust in us to be able to do it.

This is the predicament we were in second half of last year. Only it's the first half of the season. 2022 hopes died on the back of accumulated injury carnage. This year, aside the perpetually injured bench, injuries were lesser. Is that tide is turning with injuries these past 2 games?

So yes it's mathematically possible, and with the right attack, we could make finals. The passionate supporter part of me says we keep fighting for that. Unfortunately the associated hope is crushed when I see how we've played this past 2m. I'm really torn and the health of our list may tip the balance. One way or another.

Something that is different, as some highlight, is the strategy underlying how we play. The question is, do we have the resources to keep our heads above water? Then, will we have the right combination to improve our position after the bye? Then, is that combination good enough compared to other sides?

Vossy saying we're close to that elusive level of performance, may or may not be the case. We're seeing glimpses as some players find form. My hope lies in the belief that others will follow suit, although time and perceived pressure is mounting. So I'm open to seeing the best emerge whilst holding the cold likelihood of seeing more of the worst. Just like we witnessed in q3. Such is the life of a Carlton supporter 😮‍💨

Go Blues
Coming together is the beginning.
Keeping together is progress.
Working together is success.
Henry Ford.

Re: AFL Rd 12 Post Game Passing Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #87 –
Quote from: blueboys_1 – on
I thought Cincotta did a great job on Picket. Kept him to 6 kicks and picked 16 odd possessions himself.

Yes indeed you are correct, missed that.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 12 Post Game Passing Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #88 –
Quote from: blueboys_1 – on
I thought Cincotta did a great job on Picket. Kept him to 6 kicks and picked 16 odd possessions himself.


I agree. He's got a lot going for him IMO. Shame we're missing other important defenders in Newman and Williams.
Coming together is the beginning.
Keeping together is progress.
Working together is success.
Henry Ford.
 

Re: AFL Rd 12 Post Game Passing Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #89 –
Late to the thread so apologies for any ground already covered.

Very, very few highlights or positives out of that. We were lucky that Melbourne weren't that flash last night....if they'd kicked straight early we would've lost by 7 or 8 goals.

Hard to believe how far we've fallen in 12 months. At 8-2 last year were playing some breathtaking footy, albeit letting teams back into games at times. But we were taking the game on, moving the ball quickly and with precision and applying the heat. Fast forward 12 months and with arguably a stronger team, we're a rabble. We can hit opposition key defenders from 60m away but can't hit a team mate from 30m away. Just ultra slow ball movement to about the wing and then just blast it long and hope someone can mark it. And when it hits the ground, zero pressure and not one of our small forwards can find a goal...apart from a cheap one from Fisher last night where he ducked into a tackle and the umpire fell for it.

Kemp on Fritsch did a pretty good joob. Fritsch beat him one on one a couple of times but I'd give Kemp the honours overall. He took some good marks and used it pretty well. Cincotta kept Pickett quiet apart from one incredible snap goal. Cerra was probably our best mid and Harry found some form and confidence.

If we've set out to destroy Silvagni as a footy player then I reckon mission accomplished last night. 2-3 seasons ago he was a high pressure mid-sized forward who could take a big grab and although his goalkicking was hit and miss, he did kick goals. He was chasing, tackling and locking the ball into the forward line. He looks shot to bits now. I realise Mirkov might be a way off it just yet, but surely last night was the game to throw him in....if for nothing else than to ruck for 7-8 minutes each quarter and crash/bash into Gawn and Grundy. He's +200cm and +100kgs.....but we chose to go with Silvagni against that ruck combination.

O'Brien has probably played his last game. I can't see why Binns wasn't given an opportunity and now that finals are out of the question it's time for him to have a shot at it.

If we'd been good enough, the game was there for the taking at 3/4 time but it was just more of the same old crap. McGovern didn't appear to have a match up so why not just throw him forward....push Charlie up the ground a bit....just do something to mix it up. But instead it was just bomb it long and pick out May and Lever.

Again, our mids got plenty of the ball but are just not making any real impact with it.

Cottrell's first game back against the Dogs was a really good one and arguably one of our best....but he's had two stinkers in a row. Similarly Owies...averaging nearl 3 goals a game in his first few games and again when he came back after injury...but two absolute stinkers in a row and can barely find the ball now. Motlop does a lot of running and chasing but not a lot of impact and not hitting the scoreboard. I know kicking goals isn't the be all and end all for a small forward, but when your team only kicks 6 for the whole night, one or two from them would be handy.

Where too from here? Maybe Hewett comes back in but not much else left. Maybe Marchbank comes in for Young but reckon we'll need Young in the ruck if we're not going to give Mirkov a game. McGovern....no impact, dropping marks, turning it over.