AFL Rd 18 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

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Re: AFL Rd 18 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #45 – July 16, 2023, 09:41:47 am

Four games in a row of not just wins, but wins full of authority. With 23 blokes on the paddock who know exactly what to do, and do it. Together.

Have no doubt Port came to win. The time they put into our key mids was obvious.

Absolutely rapt with (apart from an emphatic win against strong top side in great form):
*JSOS. Proved many of us wrong. Googie on faces. Now to keep it up.
*When port threw everything at us in the 3rd, we responded extremely well - no folding under bona fide opposition sustained heat and pressure. No 'same old, same old' from us. Fkn brilliant.
*Small and medium forwards doing untold damage. Deep delivery into the forward line.
*Nick Newman.
*We continue to be the hunters, regardless. Which has resulted in us putting our collective feet on the throats of the opposition.

Concerns:
*H knee.
*Saady (achilles?).

Bravo, CFC. Now bring this and more against the Weagles. Ignore their ladder position.

Re: AFL Rd 18 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #46 – July 16, 2023, 10:00:40 am

Quote from: townsendcalling – on July 16, 2023, 01:15:25 am

I'm no medico, but was Harry NOT on crutches after the match, a positive sign?

I noticed during the song his knee was bandaged. Unlike MK last week, who was in a brace. I'm no medic either but didn’t think it looked severe at the time. Let's hope it's minor 🙏

Re: AFL Rd 18 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #47 – July 16, 2023, 10:07:31 am

Any doubts on what TDK offers compared to Pit are now put to bed for good.

TDKs work around the ground and general contribution is not even worth to debating against what Pit offers.

The thing is what we do if TDK does leave as we will then need a first ruck that can contribute around the ground otherwise I prefer to run without a main ruck and go mobile like we did the previous few weeks.

Re: AFL Rd 18 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #48 – July 16, 2023, 10:18:40 am

Replay is up on AFL site
Cosy Sunday binge watching anyone?
Enjoy Baggers

Re: AFL Rd 18 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #49 – July 16, 2023, 10:25:27 am

Quote from: LoveNavy – on July 16, 2023, 10:00:40 am

I noticed during the song his knee was bandaged. Unlike MK last week, who was in a brace. I'm no medic either but didn’t think it looked severe at the time. Let's hope it's minor 🙏

When you do an ACL, you can still walk in a straight line. It's moving sideways is the problem. I thought it looked like the knee was stiffening up as he walked across the ground. We will only know after the scan tomorrow.

Re: AFL Rd 18 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #50 – July 16, 2023, 10:26:35 am

Quote from: shawny – on July 16, 2023, 10:07:31 am

Any doubts on what TDK offers compared to Pit are now put to bed for good.

TDKs work around the ground and general contribution is not even worth to debating against what Pit offers.

The thing is what we do if TDK does leave as we will then need a first ruck that can contribute around the ground otherwise I prefer to run without a main ruck and go mobile like we did the previous few weeks.

We'll play Pitto in the 2's and have him for back up. Then we'll join the queue looking for a unicorn. We'll do our best to develop O'Keeffe and hope Mirkov recovers, regains elite fitness, and develops around the ground.

Re: AFL Rd 18 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #51 – July 16, 2023, 10:37:24 am

Quote from: DJC – on July 16, 2023, 08:47:05 am

My daughter was walking normally almost immediately after she did her ACL. So much so that it wasn’t diagnosed for a couple of weeks. On the other hand, my brother couldn’t walk when he did his ACL. It largely depends on how much other damage the knee suffers.

Harry’s knee didn’t appear to hyper-extend and, like the commentators, I thought he’d done an ankle. Bottom line is that we won’t know until after the scan.

🤞that it’s not too bad.

I'll never forget Guy McKenna injuring his knee and getting stretchered off the ground in agony, in the same game Worsfold hurt his knee and ran off the ground limping to the huge roar of Subiaco. McKenna did a medial and missed a few weeks, Worsfold did an ACL and was out for 12 months.

Re: AFL Rd 18 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #52 – July 16, 2023, 10:50:33 am

Quote from: shawny – on July 16, 2023, 10:07:31 am

The thing is what we do if TDK does leave as we will then need a first ruck that can contribute around the ground otherwise I prefer to run without a main ruck and go mobile like we did the previous few weeks.

So in retrospect, is signing Pitto long term looking like a smart move or a mistake, if TDKs stays is Pitto trade fodder?

Oddly, I recall some on here claiming we should look at Lycett as a trade target, I wonder what they think now?

Yesterday's game from TDK was as dominant a ruck performance as we've seen in Carlton colours for almost a decade, imagine how good he'll become when he can keep his feet!

We must remember though Port were without the backup duo that is normally the pairing of Dixon and Finlayson, and it looks to me that Port panicked and brought Lycett back before he was ready, and they doubled down on that mistake with Jonas. Lycett was competitive body on body but once TDK's feet hit the ground it was contest over, and that showed in his frustration. Finlayson is OK for the odd stoppage, but being forced to ruck more in the absence of Dixon he output was massively degraded. TDK with SoJ basically run both of them into the ground, and that left far easier pickings for SoJ and Cripps at F50 ruck stoppages when TDK was resting, in the end they were all beating up on Lycett and Finlayson who had nothing left in the tank. But to me our win doesn't say as much about the ruck setup as does Port's situation, in retrospect you'd have to concede they were foolish to run a solo ruck, they just never gained momentum.

An interesting question, if BigH is out is SoJ to continue rucking, or does SoJ rucking diminish his F50 play?

Re: AFL Rd 18 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #53 – July 16, 2023, 11:11:07 am

We are still only beating teams that are no good or riddled with injuries. No Pittonett, Kennedy, Williams or Owies and we lose McKay in the first ten minutes but Port were the team that was undermanned. I thought Dow had more impact on the game than Hewitt. We are a very good side when we play with intent and endeavour. We are in charge of our own destiny. We win four of six we get there. There is no reason why we can't win six of six. We just need to turn up with the same mindset that we have turned up with in the past four games. Finally, winning is so much better than losing.

Re: AFL Rd 18 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #54 – July 16, 2023, 11:17:23 am

Quote from: Blue Moon – on July 16, 2023, 11:11:07 am

I thought Dow had more impact on the game than Hewitt.

I thought when he first came on Dow was OK, but re-watch the first 5mins of the 2nd or 3rd quarter and you'll see why Dow struggles to get a regular game.

There is are several periods of play where he just doesn't chase with any intensity, from the stoppage Dow trails behind an opponent he could easily catch, leaving team-mates to run past him to do the heavy work, and it's only the first few minutes of the quarter. Even if he couldn't catch he should still be exerting some pressure instead of leaving an opponent have an easy disposal.

In another passage of play, Dow trails an opponent again which is perhaps OK maybe the opponent is too quick, except Cripps runs past Dow and tackles the opponent!

That is the exact opposite of how everybody else in the team is playing, everybody else is all in instantly.

Why Dow is like this is a mystery, he no longer naturally hunts the footy, it seems he needs to be forced to do so!

My mate I go to the footy with says when this happens Dow is having another "rabbit in the headlights" moment, to me it looks like Dow has to think about what to do next, instead of just doing it.

Re: AFL Rd 18 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #55 – July 16, 2023, 11:32:46 am

Was probably Newman's best game for our club, he seemed to relish being set free from D50, we also benefitted from having him using the ball more forward of centre.

He's a proper footballer's footballer.

Re: AFL Rd 18 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #56 – July 16, 2023, 11:36:01 am

Haven't watched the game yet but TDK had 5 more hitouts than Lycett only and one more possession. Port actually won the clearances....not sure how that equates to TDK being the ruck messiah and Pittonet spending his years in the twos.
Difference via the stats seemed to be Jack in that role of part time ruck and forward which supports Kruddlers theories more of one specialist ruck and a part timer being adequate for the modern game.

Re: AFL Rd 18 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #57 – July 16, 2023, 11:45:39 am

Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on July 16, 2023, 11:36:01 am

Haven't watched the game yet but TDK had 5 more hitouts than Lycett only and one more possession. Port actually won the clearances....not sure how that equates to TDK being the ruck messiah and Pittonet spending his years in the twos.
Difference via the stats seemed to be Jack in that role of part time ruck and forward which supports Kruddlers theories more of one specialist ruck and a part timer being adequate for the modern game.

Watch the game. TDK was unreal and you can see why he would be getting big offers. The Port rucks were trying to hurt him in the second half.

Re: AFL Rd 18 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #58 – July 16, 2023, 11:57:34 am

Quote from: madbluboy – on July 16, 2023, 11:45:39 am

Watch the game. TDK was unreal and you can see why he would be getting big offers. The Port rucks were trying to hurt him in the second half.

A prime example of how what happens on the ground can have little relationship to the stats. Tom's game was one of the best ruck performances in navy blue since Matty K was at his best.

Re: AFL Rd 18 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #59 – July 16, 2023, 12:13:44 pm

TDK had a ripper. Was more like a RR. Took defensive marks, good below the knees, couldn't fault him.