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Re: AFL Rd 22 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #150 –
Quote from: LP – on
It's only a negative if the 1st ruck on the field can't go with him, otherwise it's just another man on man match up and has no penalty to the rest of the team.

When one 1st ruck starts running off others, it's a big issue, because others have to start minding extra numbers and they fatigue.
Swing and a miss.  Try again.

Its not about the rucks. Its about the 20-21 other blokes who will have more influence on the game.

Re: AFL Rd 22 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #151 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Swing and a miss.  Try again.

Its not about the rucks. Its about the 20-21 other blokes who will have more influence on the game.
You're trying hard, but the rucks resting, whether it is a solo ruck or a pretend ruck the bench time works out about the same.

Your claim infers the 2nd ruck or pretend ruck can magically rotate through the ruck and still be available to give a teammate a chop in the usual position as a HFF or KPD, but that is yet another fantasy. Sure they can still act as a backup, but they won't be in the general D50 or F50 rotations because they are committed elsewhere.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 22 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #152 –
Quote from: LP – on
You're trying hard, but the rucks resting, whether it is a solo ruck or a pretend ruck the bench time works out about the same.

Your claim infers the 2nd ruck or pretend ruck can magically rotate through the ruck and still be available to give a teammate a chop in the usual position as a HFF or KPD, but that is yet another fantasy. Sure they can still act as a backup, but they won't be in the general D50 or F50 rotations because they are committed elsewhere.

Yet another fantasy, but Jack Silvagni has done it plenty of times....and he's not the only one.

Picking a player who is already on the ground to give a chopout in the ruck, means that whereever that 2nd ruck is, that is the bench more often than not, an alternative player is...ie an extra midfielder.

So yes, #1 ruck would ruck more than normal, and would get less bench time.
Yes, that backup ruck would spend some time in the ruck instead of forward for the whole game.
But....the rest of the players on the team would get more rest because there is an extra rotation for them.

Mate, its not a difficult concept.
Go look at afl tables. Pick any game with 2 rucks. See how much TOG they have.
Now go look at another game with 1 ruck, see how much TOG they have....and their backup has.
The difference between the 2 is the extra bench time given to another player/midfielder........as well as another actual midfielder playing.

Re: AFL Rd 22 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #153 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Yet another fantasy, but Jack Silvagni has done it plenty of times....and he's not the only one.
Really, care to tell us a game and when?

The truth is quite different from your assertions, when Silvagni rucked he spent between 18% and 23% of time off the ground, not all that much different from the injured Pitto last weekend! ;)

"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"
 

Re: AFL Rd 22 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #154 –
I'm obviously a SoJ hater, so I'll admit the fraud and confess by posting a comparison between SoJ and TDK exposing my folly.



Surely that can't be right, there is bugger all difference when we know "the fact is" when SoJ rucks he can double down and still offer the regular F50 rotations!

If you going to make grand claims @Kruddler, it's best you check the stats actually support your claim first! ;)

Hang on sorry I've may have made another mistake, it's a huge error, I forgot SoJ can bend time! ;D

"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 22 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #155 –
So please explain why you have failed to identify which games we have 1 ruck, 2 rucks etc. Which games a player was subbed out.
You've just posted a list of numbers with no context.

Respond in the other thread.

Re: AFL Rd 22 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #156 –
Yep.
There's two other threads to discuss this in.
TDK or the Pittonet thread.
Move the discussion over to one of those.

Re: AFL Rd 22 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #157 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Respond in the other thread.
So we get it, you are special, you are the only one permitted to post this stuff wherever you like, are we not even allowed to respond to your posts in context, just where you tell us to?
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 22 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #158 –
It's probably a genuine request that we just use the relevant threads...as long as everyone abides by that. ;)

Over the years we've had some subjects 'infiltrating' different threads and derailing the main topic.
When that happens it makes it really difficult to follow the arguments...especially when we have multiple threads making the same arguments.
Folks can get a little upset when they make an 'on-topic' post and look for a response, only to see it overwhelmed by an 'off-topic' subject.
A couple of posts isn't too much of an issue but when it becomes the  main topic of an unrelated thread it can cause a problem.
It's often happened with discussion about coaches, Pagan and Malthouse in particular.
It's cost us posters, both through leaving in frustration and banning.

The ruck argument is being hotly debated.
It's probably timely to just step back and have a think before posting in the relevant thread.