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Re: AFL Rd 1 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #135 –
Owies is a reliable 2nd string small foward - must keep for depth
Motlop is our best small forward by a long stretch
Durdin needs a good run at it - but even when fit just doesn't do enough in trouble the young man if he doesn't find another string in the bow other than running at opposition 100 miles per hour.
Fantasia experienced injury prone and out of touch - but is a class above on what we already have.

Re: AFL Rd 1 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #136 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
I'll hazard and guess and say, and I do so with sadness, Corey D will be in strife at years end. He would need to have a cracker of a year to avoid the chop me thinks.
We could have been brave and had a nibble at Ginnivan...yep he is a DH off the field and a bit of a problem child but so was Stengle when he arrived at Geelong . For all Ginnivans failings though he kicks goals and can win games and I reckon Hawthorn might have got a bargain provided he can stay out of trouble.

Re: AFL Rd 1 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #137 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
We could have been brave and had a nibble at Ginnivan...yep he is a DH off the field and a bit of a problem child but so was Stengle when he arrived at Geelong . For all Ginnivans failings though he kicks goals and can win games and I reckon Hawthorn might have got a bargain provided he can stay out of trouble.

TBH, I hoped we'd have a serious nibble at Bobby Hill when he wanted out of the Giants (given we are the Giants Melbourne chapter).
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 1 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #138 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
Fantasia is a footballer. 

He does a few little things that show his aptitude as a player.  For me the important hole he fills is a leadership one for the younger small forwards.  Durdin and motlop might learn a bit off him.  It's intangible.  We'll see how he goes, but im not writing him off yet.

Nailed it Thry!

Fantasia is a newby in our team, he has just played his hundredth game and and has hardly played since leaving Essendon.  Why then is he the one who is most vocal during the forwards’ team meetings and who makes a point of talking to Harry before he has a shot for goal?  He is a footballer with plenty of nous and a message for his teammates.

I’ve mentioned his two goal assists against Brisbane.  Then there’s his missed set shot and snap against Richmond; nine times out of ten, he scores goals from those opportunities.

Even if he spends most of the season in the VFL, he can have a positive impact on our players and our fortunes.
"Negative waves are not helpful. Try saying something righteous and hopeful instead." Oddball

Re: AFL Rd 1 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #139 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
Fantasia is a footballer. 

He does a few little things that show his aptitude as a player.  For me the important hole he fills is a leadership one for the younger small forwards.  Durdin and motlop might learn a bit off him.  It's intangible.  We'll see how he goes, but im not writing him off yet.

Noticed him doing all the talking in the forwards huddle a few times, so l think he’s there for more than “just” possessions.
Let’s go BIG !

Re: AFL Rd 1 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #140 –
Seems we are still in the hunt for a quality small forward after years of searching. What a tough position to fill!
Personally don't think Durdin will make it. Which opens a small forward spot on the list - hopefully a gem pops up during the mid season draft.

Re: AFL Rd 1 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #141 –
Agree on Fantasia....probably came in earlier than expected with the injury to Motlop and Owies was also injured for a period in the pre-season. It's widely acknowledged that the small forward is a difficult position to play. He's there for backup/experience and while his output has been small, his ball use for the most part has been really good. He might make way for Motlop but I wouldn't be writing him off yet.

I still like the Owies/Motlop set up. Owies is already on his 1.5 goals/game average from last year and that's hard to complain about. Martin plays a slightly different role with his marking ability....so for mine, they're the 3 first choice options.

If both Martin and Motlop come back in for the game against North, it might be Fantasia and Cunningham that go out.

Re: AFL Rd 1 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #142 –
Quote from: WASurfer – on
If both Martin and Motlop come back in for the game against North, it might be Fantasia and Cunningham that go out.
You are probably correct, but our apparent game plan changes make it seem less cut and dry than it was before, the roles appear to be more specialised than previous seasons.

For example, last year Owies was basically a deep runner and you could find him all over the deck from FF to FB, this year he seems to be staying closer to the F50. Whether that is a symptom of personal changes like our D50 or a deliberate tactic I can't tell. Maybe with Williams, Saad and Boyd all in D50 we just do not need the SFs running so deeply, if so that'll be good for Motlop who is probably the least aerobic.

We will probably need a few more rounds and some ins and outs to make sense of it, it will start to show in the heat maps.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 1 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #143 –
Quote from: WASurfer – on
Agree on Fantasia....probably came in earlier than expected with the injury to Motlop and Owies was also injured for a period in the pre-season. It's widely acknowledged that the small forward is a difficult position to play. He's there for backup/experience and while his output has been small, his ball use for the most part has been really good. He might make way for Motlop but I wouldn't be writing him off yet.

I still like the Owies/Motlop set up. Owies is already on his 1.5 goals/game average from last year and that's hard to complain about. Martin plays a slightly different role with his marking ability....so for mine, they're the 3 first choice options.

If both Martin and Motlop come back in for the game against North, it might be Fantasia and Cunningham that go out.

Why does everyone forget about fogerty?

I'd drop him before leaving out Martin and Cuningham.

Re: AFL Rd 1 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #144 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Why does everyone forget about fogerty?

I'd drop him before leaving out Martin and Cuningham.
fog for all his faults has had a bigger say in our fortunes this season (and part of last) than most of the rest.  His forward pressure game against Brisbane was a big factor in the comeback. 
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 1 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #145 –
Fogarty got coaches votes in the opening round game against Brisbane, so he'd be unlucky to go out after one quiet game against Richmond.

Re: AFL Rd 1 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #146 –
I thought Fogarty has been OK from limited possessions, if you aren't getting a lot of footy at least you better not waste it, and he hasn't!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 1 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #147 –
Fogarty has a defensive pressure side to his game which might appeal to Voss and his introduction into the team last season after being ignored for a long while helped propel the team forwards and into finals. You need your Indians like Fogarty and Cottrell to support the silky stars....

Re: AFL Rd 1 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #148 –
Quote from: WASurfer – on

I still like the Owies/Motlop set up. Owies is already on his 1.5 goals/game average from last year and that's hard to complain about.

amazing what kicking straight does for you!
 

Re: AFL Rd 1 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #149 –
FWIW, i'm not suggesting i would drop Fogarty, but nobody has even mentioned his name in terms of small forwards.

Everyone talking about the pressure he provides, and that shouldn't go unnoticed.
However, in the same breathe people are suggesting Cuningham should/could make way.....despite the fact he has had more pressure acts than Fogarty and every other small forward we have.

So if its good enough for fogarty, why not cunners?