AFL Rd 10 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

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Re: AFL Rd 10 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #30 – May 18, 2024, 06:46:45 am

It was like watching a team of tired, overworked old blokes, whose skill and method had deserted them, versus a team of sleek, skilled, precision engineered jets. If you're going to get mauled, I much rather it be by a star studded, top-of-the-ladder team than by anyone else.

I see no value in finger pointing and naming/shaming. What I saw was a team who tried their guts out, but whose efforts were pretty much ineffectual.

A game seemingly tailor made for the Craig McRae windscreen wiper analogy. Just wipe it away, forget about it, and move on. Nothing to be gained by "reviewing hard" as far as I can see.

Re: AFL Rd 10 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #31 – May 18, 2024, 08:13:34 am

One of the biggest pieces of nonsense sprouted by players and coaches is this rubbish about “One soldier out, next soldier in.”

It might work for the Russian Army… but it sure doesn’t work for us.
Not with our current list of injuries.

A ‘good soldier out’ puts an additional burden on your better players who have to carry an extra load.

It puts an additional burden on your fringe players who lose support from, not only the missing player, but also the star players.

Roles change
Structures change,
Your prime movers are covered more easily.
Players carry injuries into games through necessity.

What we saw last night was the cumulative effect of a series of hard games, and missing players.
It takes a toll, and unfortunately it may not be a short fix.
We’ll get players back…but I suspect we’ll also lose some.

Re: AFL Rd 10 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #32 – May 18, 2024, 08:19:16 am

I agree Lods. Also, we’ve been up and about for 12 months : in that time we’ve won most games and played a heap of great footy. A stinker was bound to drop sooner or later.

Re: AFL Rd 10 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #33 – May 18, 2024, 08:27:48 am

Quote from: PaulP on May 18, 2024, 08:19:16 am

I agree Lods. Also, we’ve been up and about for 12 months : in that time we’ve won most games and played a heap of great footy. A stinker was bound to drop sooner or later.

Yep
And I think the seeds were sown, and the signs were there, in the final stages of the Melbourne game.
They'd reached the end of their tether.

Re: AFL Rd 10 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #34 – May 18, 2024, 08:47:21 am

Well we are definitely not a top four side. At least six other teams have better cohesion and understanding between the lines.

Re: AFL Rd 10 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #35 – May 18, 2024, 08:53:24 am

Quote from: Lods on May 18, 2024, 08:13:34 am

One of the biggest pieces of nonsense sprouted by players and coaches is this rubbish about “One soldier out, next soldier in.”

It might work for the Russian Army… but it sure doesn’t work for us.
Not with our current list of injuries.

A ‘good soldier out’ puts an additional burden on your better players who have to carry an extra load.

It puts an additional burden on your fringe players who lose support from, not only the missing player, but also the star players.

Roles change
Structures change,
Your prime movers are covered more easily.
Players carry injuries into games through necessity.

What we saw last night was the cumulative effect of a series of hard games, and missing players.
It takes a toll, and unfortunately it may not be a short fix.
We’ll get players back…but I suspect we’ll also lose some.

Agree. A very tired performance. Weiters looked deeply unhappy as he sat on the sidelines. We are running out of available match fit talent.

Re: AFL Rd 10 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #36 – May 18, 2024, 09:08:56 am

Good teams find a way, we were not even competitive after quarter time.
Tired and we are not even midway through the season? About 4 or 5 of our blokes haven't had a kick for weeks now, don't know how they got tired...running through the banner?
It was all about effort and lack of..as soon as the Swans locked down on Cripps and Walsh we stopped and lost interest when it got hard. The SCG isn't a big ground but requires contested players who can get their own ball, break tackles and scrap for loose balls. Sure we have injuries but good teams ie Collingwood last season find a way to win and be competitive.
We were the lazy, non competitive bruise free Blues last night and I thought those days were over...

Re: AFL Rd 10 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #37 – May 18, 2024, 09:15:12 am

Effort costs nothing.

Re: AFL Rd 10 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #38 – May 18, 2024, 09:33:35 am

Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 on May 18, 2024, 09:08:56 am

Good teams find a way, we were not even competitive after quarter time.
Tired and we are not even midway through the season? About 4 or 5 of our blokes haven't had a kick for weeks now, don't know how they got tired...running through the banner?
It was all about effort and lack of..as soon as the Swans locked down on Cripps and Walsh we stopped and lost interest when it got hard. The SCG isn't a big ground but requires contested players who can get their own ball, break tackles and scrap for loose balls. Sure we have injuries but good teams ie Collingwood last season find a way to win and be competitive.
We were the lazy, non competitive bruise free Blues last night and I thought those days were over...

Perfect summation EB👏

Re: AFL Rd 10 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #39 – May 18, 2024, 09:35:10 am

As someone else said, we looked completely gassed and never looked a chance at running down a player.

Cohesion does seem to have faltered and that’s not surprising given the continually growing injury list.

Really missed Cotters last night.

The lack of skills shown by us was depressing and took me back to the bad old days.

Let’s not forget they really got on top once Weiters was subbed out - it may not have gotten so bad if he’d stayed on.

Re: AFL Rd 10 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #40 – May 18, 2024, 09:35:49 am

I wouldn't call us bruise free. There was plenty of effort but not much method. Tactics are the difference between talent and ability and a good footy team. We rely heavily on talented individuals it seems.

Re: AFL Rd 10 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #41 – May 18, 2024, 09:41:18 am

Quote from: Thryleon on May 18, 2024, 09:35:49 am

I wouldn't call us bruise free. There was plenty of effort but not much method. Tactics are the difference between talent and ability and a good footy team. We rely heavily on talented individuals it seems.

Swans walked through our tackles and we had players pull up in contests. Look at the one per center stats too.
Rowbottom had 16 tackles....even stars like Heeney and Grundy worked hard tackling ,everything they did was effort based to win the game IMHO.
We have the talent as the first quarter showed..

Re: AFL Rd 10 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #42 – May 18, 2024, 09:43:34 am

Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 on May 18, 2024, 09:41:18 am

Swans walked through our tackles and we had players pull up in contests. Look at the one per center stats too.

Yep, that's not effort. Ill cop a loss to a Sydney on the chin on a good day, but not like that one.

Re: AFL Rd 10 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #43 – May 18, 2024, 09:46:14 am

Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 on May 18, 2024, 09:41:18 am

Swans walked through our tackles and we had players pull up in contests. Look at the one per center stats too.

Agree. Swans were ultra sharp while we footled and fumbled.

Re: AFL Rd 10 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #44 – May 18, 2024, 09:48:37 am

I think you boys are confusing getting blown away by a team in peak physical form, fitness with a team thats been banged up, the boys were willing we just didnt have the wheels to go with them and got cut up once the swans running game got going. The Swans destroyed gws not long ago in similar fashion.

When you're slow and spemding your chips trying to go quick, the inside work eventually drops off because you're gassed. Last night wasn't about effort, or even desire. The desire was there, if it wasn't the first quarter doesn't happen where we go 4 goals up. The consistency is what's missing, and some capability.