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Re: AFL Rd 10 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #45 –
I agree Thry. The boys are professional athletes. They have pride in their performance and they want to do well. They have the glare of the entire AFL community and are answerable to coaches, team mates etc. I'm not sure they can get away with being lazy, even if they wanted to. It's just not logical to think that.

Folks don't think that Voss can spot a half arsed effort a mile out ?
 

Re: AFL Rd 10 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #46 –
Quote from: Thryleon on
I think you boys are confusing getting blown away by a team in peak physical form, fitness with a team thats been banged up, the boys were willing we just didnt have the wheels to go with them and got cut up once the swans running game got going.  The Swans destroyed gws not long ago in similar fashion.

When you're slow and spemding your chips trying to go quick, the inside work eventually drops off because you're gassed.  Last night wasn't about effort, or even desire.  The desire was there, if it wasn't the first quarter doesn't happen where we go 4 goals up.  The consistency is what's missing, and some capability.
Yep
Consistency of effort and cohesion between lines comes from a settled team playing together week out and week in.
Without it you get uncertainty.
There were some cringeworthy moments last night- silly  handpasses to players under pressure , indecision about leaving your man to go to a contest, hesitation etc.
They are symptoms of a team struggling without normal structures.
Swans were able to man up on our key playmakers because there were so many others causing them no grief at all.

Re: AFL Rd 10 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #47 –
Really liked Vossy's media conference. No excuses. Nailed the reasons - connection and lack of pro-activeness. He slammed shut the door on injuries as an excuse. Good.

I've banged on about being the hunters -- a mindset -- and that was low, except for the backline... most of them go hard and strong. The rest tried hard; lots of effort but confident, mongrel intensity was just not there... the kind of intensity needed to intimidate the opposition. The Bluebagger spirit evaporated last night. It wasn't us out there.

I felt for the backline... little defensive intensity from most of the mids. Midfield/forward line connection - non-existent... get your acts together relevant coaches - you are failing to instill ruthless intensity at the contest into your charges. As for the game-day strategic coach - obviously went home at qtr time once the Fluffy Ducks countered his strategies.

Easily broken tackles, dropped marks, looking tired... how can that be with not even half the season played? When that uncompromising determination is missing between the lugholes, you look slow, tired, inconsistent and lacking spirit.

Disappointed? Yep. Giving up on going deep into September? Not even a little bit. 100% confidence in Vossy... and Sammy. Perhaps some other coaches are letting down Vossy and the players. These coaches received some pretty damning feedback from the Fluffy Ducks. Leadership?
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 10 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #48 –
If DeKonig wants a bigger cheque he needs to start fronting up.  Last night was not acceptable but he wasn't theone ranger in that regard.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: AFL Rd 10 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #49 –
Maybe not learning how to properly put teams away time and again means we’re using all our gas trying to hold on after getting to comfortable leads.  When they start getting closer the panic sets in and structure goes out the door meaning we run around expending all this energy til the very end.

Not once have we gone on and torched the oppo when we’ve dominated in the past few seasons.

Re: AFL Rd 10 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #50 –
Quote from: pinot on
It has been a tough run for sure but two rucks and three small forwards taking run run away from the middle has been a miserable failure and needs to take ownership. I wont trust the guy with this list if he doesn't.

That's what we had last year when we were killing it. We won 15 from 17 at one stage across the 2 seasons, so can't be too bad. Difference missing Martin, Motlop and Fogarty up forward. Durdin and Fantasia isn't quite the same.

So might be something else. Last night was attitude and effort. Maybe mentally the affect of a 5th consecutive blockbuster with half a side. Dunno. Previous 4 games we went 2-2 against the best with half a side out.

Re: AFL Rd 10 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #51 –
Quote from: pinot on
Well we are definitely not a top four side. At least six other teams have better cohesion and understanding between the lines.
Suppose the Swans supporters said that after Richmond beat them too. With most of our personnel, of course we are a top 4 side.

Re: AFL Rd 10 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #52 –
Quote from: Baggers on
Really liked Vossy's media conference. No excuses. Nailed the reasons - connection and lack of pro-activeness. He slammed shut the door on injuries as an excuse. Good.

I've banged on about being the hunters -- a mindset -- and that was low, except for the backline... most of them go hard and strong. The rest tried hard; lots of effort but confident, mongrel intensity was just not there... the kind of intensity needed to intimidate the opposition. The Bluebagger spirit evaporated last night. It wasn't us out there.

I felt for the backline... little defensive intensity from most of the mids. Midfield/forward line connection - non-existent... get your acts together relevant coaches - you are failing to instill ruthless intensity at the contest into your charges. As for the game-day strategic coach - obviously went home at qtr time once the Fluffy Ducks countered his strategies.

Easily broken tackles, dropped marks, looking tired... how can that be with not even half the season played? When that uncompromising determination is missing between the lugholes, you look slow, tired, inconsistent and lacking spirit.

Disappointed? Yep. Giving up on going deep into September? Not even a little bit. 100% confidence in Vossy... and Sammy. Perhaps some other coaches are letting down Vossy and the players. These coaches received some pretty damning feedback from the Fluffy Ducks. Leadership?
I like what I heard from Voss, he knows what the problems are and wasnt offering excuses.....the Swans stepped up the pressure and we couldnt go with them and if your midfield is being overwhelmed then its hard for your defense to stem the flow especially on a one kick to the goal square ground like the SCG.
I would probably like to see a bit more innovative thinking when we are being swamped like in the 3rd quarter, its fine leaving all the pieces where they are when the game is close and backing your players in to win the day but when the opposition are all over you its time to make some serious changes and move the magnets like Collingwood under McRae do well to get back into games.

Re: AFL Rd 10 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #53 –
For me our main problem is headspace, in the 2nd quarter the Swans up the pressure and our fumbles and hesitation set in, which means we lose time and space and it becomes a feedback loop.

I didn't have an issue with the team and selection other than I think Fantasia has been given too many chances already, when he gets the chop he won't have grounds to complain.

I thought we matched up pretty well against Sydney, and I think the 1st Qtr showed that, afterwards our problems were caused by panic and fumbling. Partly it might be an issue of too many lightweights not willing to wear contact, but perhaps they are being coached that way.

Of our smalls only Owies is prepared to head into heavy traffic, Durdin and Fantasia hardly make contact hunting the footy, although Durdin does chase and tackle he's not as fast as I had hoped. But to carry all three of Fantasia, Owies and Durdin we need them all channelling Papley and Boyd and be willing to get inside and do some of the dirt moving, otherwise we end up down a man in contests all over the deck.

On the umpires, the only thing I say is two massive clangers again, BigH should have been given a 50m, not making excuses for his miss but he should have been on the goal line, and Boyd's penalty for grabbing the footy was ludicrous when a player is basically trying to kick it out of his hands. It is not footy to be kicking it off the ground, it needs to be a focus of the AFL officials to put an end to it. That incident is a main reason I do not want to see prior opportunity removed, it's not football, if fans want to go see that sort of game go and watch soccer instead! I'd be happy to ban kicking off the ground altogether!
The Force Awakens!

Re: AFL Rd 10 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #54 –
Quote from: LP on
.............................................................................. That incident is a main reason I do not want to see prior opportunity removed, it's not football, if fans want to go see that sort of game go and watch soccer instead! I'd be happy to ban kicking off the ground altogether!

I'd have to agree. It is a hard game to umpire, and different interpretations are no doubt frustrating, but as more and more teams follow the Richmond model and keep the ball moving forward at all costs, mostly by kicking off the deck, tap ons etc., the game just loses something IMO. It becomes in a way, uglier.

Re: AFL Rd 10 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #55 –
I'll be curious to see if any Carlton players get Coaches' votes.

Re: AFL Rd 10 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #57 –
I have been saying for several years now, we have virtually no pace through the midfield.  Until we address that deficit, we will consistently get done on turnover and out of the middle.

And we simply do not tackle enough, at least not effectively. 
This is now the longest premiership drought in the history of the Carlton Football Club - more evidence of climate change?

Re: AFL Rd 10 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #58 –
Quote from: madbluboy on
Newman had a big game.

I guess he might scrape in a vote or two. I thought Pittonet and Acres were ok-ish, but it was a pretty dark day all round, and we shouldn't sugarcoat it IMO.

Re: AFL Rd 10 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #59 –
Quote from: PaulP on
I guess he might scrape in a vote or two. I thought Pittonet and Acres were ok-ish, but it was a pretty dark day all round, and we shouldn't sugarcoat it IMO.


Agree. We were outclassed pure and simple,  whatever were the causes or reasons.
Reality always wins in the end.