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Re: AFL Rd 10 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #60
I like what I heard from Voss, he knows what the problems are and wasnt offering excuses.....the Swans stepped up the pressure and we couldnt go with them and if your midfield is being overwhelmed then its hard for your defense to stem the flow especially on a one kick to the goal square ground like the SCG.
I would probably like to see a bit more innovative thinking when we are being swamped like in the 3rd quarter, its fine leaving all the pieces where they are when the game is close and backing your players in to win the day but when the opposition are all over you its time to make some serious changes and move the magnets like Collingwood under McRae do well to get back into games.

Good stuff, EB1.

Game day innovation remains an issue for us, and Vossy was right onto it and offered not one excuse.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 10 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #61
For me our main problem is headspace, in the 2nd quarter the Swans up the pressure and our fumbles and hesitation set in, which means we lose time and space and it becomes a feedback loop.

I didn't have an issue with the team and selection other than I think Fantasia has been given too many chances already, when he gets the chop he won't have grounds to complain.

I thought we matched up pretty well against Sydney, and I think the 1st Qtr showed that, afterwards our problems were caused by panic and fumbling. Partly it might be an issue of too many lightweights not willing to wear contact, but perhaps they are being coached that way.

Of our smalls only Owies is prepared to head into heavy traffic, Durdin and Fantasia hardly make contact hunting the footy, although Durdin does chase and tackle he's not as fast as I had hoped. But to carry all three of Fantasia, Owies and Durdin we need them all channelling Papley and Boyd and be willing to get inside and do some of the dirt moving, otherwise we end up down a man in contests all over the deck.

On the umpires, the only thing I say is two massive clangers again, BigH should have been given a 50m, not making excuses for his miss but he should have been on the goal line, and Boyd's penalty for grabbing the footy was ludicrous when a player is basically trying to kick it out of his hands. It is not footy to be kicking it off the ground, it needs to be a focus of the AFL officials to put an end to it. That incident is a main reason I do not want to see prior opportunity removed, it's not football, if fans want to go see that sort of game go and watch soccer instead! I'd be happy to ban kicking off the ground altogether!

Succinct stuff, Spotted One.

Overall: above the shoulders -- confidence, hunting, hard tackling, intent, resilience -- vanished when challenged.

And we've only one small forward, Owies (as you rightly pointed out). If there is one trait you want in a small forward, who get very limited opportunities, it's opportunism. Owies has that, in spades. Durdin and Fantasia? Nuh.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 10 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #62
Fortunately (as it turned out) missed the game last night. Agree with PaulP, need to just wipe this game and move on.
The next 3 weeks against GC, Port and the Don's suddenly season defining.
The group especially the leaders need to take stock, reset and come out with purpose next week. What happens above the shoulders will be the key. A bit of luck with injuries will help also!

Re: AFL Rd 10 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #63
One of the biggest pieces of nonsense sprouted by players and coaches is this rubbish about “One soldier out, next soldier in.”

It might work for the Russian Army… but it sure doesn’t work for us.
Not with our current list of injuries.

A ‘good soldier out’ puts an additional burden on your better players who have to carry an extra load.

It puts an additional burden on your fringe players who lose support from, not only the missing player, but also the star players.

Roles change
Structures change,
Your prime movers are covered more easily.
Players carry injuries into games through necessity.

What we saw last night was the cumulative effect of a series of hard games, and missing players.
It takes a toll, and unfortunately it may not be a short fix.
We’ll get players back…but I suspect we’ll also lose some.


Yep.
Consistency
Cohesion
Connection
Coming together is the beginning.
Keeping together is progress.
Working together is success.
Henry Ford.

Re: AFL Rd 10 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #64
As it stands right now. We're 10th.
Nowhere to hide I'm afraid 😨

Perhaps our biggest challenge, should our injured players be match fit as propsed, will be cohesion. Thus connection. When that’s lacking we lose confidence in our plays, hesitate, and increase pressure on ourselves.
Coming together is the beginning.
Keeping together is progress.
Working together is success.
Henry Ford.

Re: AFL Rd 10 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #65
Fortunately (as it turned out) missed the game last night. Agree with PaulP, need to just wipe this game and move on.
The next 3 weeks against GC, Port and the Don's suddenly season defining.
The group especially the leaders need to take stock, reset and come out with purpose next week. What happens above the shoulders will be the key. A bit of luck with injuries will help also!

I think the Cats follow this challenge of some difficult competition. 4 games that could go either way. It sucks that we have had so many injuries early in this season. We could easily be in the top 4 if football fortunes were on our side. I hope we don’t lose Cripps, Walsh and Weitering in the period while other players do return. There would almost be no leadership left in the remaining group. I hope the guys can protect them and give them a chop out on the park. I hope we find players to fill their shoes in the future.
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Re: AFL Rd 10 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #66
Many found wanting tonight, but the main concerns will be Weitering....
and Walsh

I wouldn't be surprised to hear that he's hurt that back again.
There was definitely something wrong, and it wasn't just after that heavy bump near the end

Walsh says it's fine...
https://www.carltonfc.com.au/video/1556819/press-conference-sam-walsh?videoId=1556819&modal=true&type=video&publishFrom=1715999267001&fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR2S692o719R2BwzJiIDTgEdp2DVZ5Z18U7XeCNjh6MtkZvFbNLbXGEPciE_aem_AU6PvI91aTIAELT32IfpR5U9jqkjWoCdkiK5HhSgqGg6qjsuwGSDY9BhEtwwI2kU6XRjRBNkFu-0eqUWsoulJ3He

Re: AFL Rd 10 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #67
It's not about the loss it's about how we rebound after it. Every side has crap losses. Sydney's one loss was to Richmond.

 

Re: AFL Rd 10 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #68
It's not about the loss it's about how we rebound after it. Every side has crap losses. Sydney's one loss was to Richmond.
If we beat both Port and Essendon we are are back on track, lose one or both and we are going to play catchup with the top 4 imho. I expect to beat Gold Coast comfortably....

Re: AFL Rd 10 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #69
Hmmmm tagging, or scragging, or free kick every day of the week?  Time to show this to the umpires' department.....

This is now the longest premiership drought in the history of the Carlton Football Club - more evidence of climate change?

Re: AFL Rd 10 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #70
If we beat both Port and Essendon we are are back on track, lose one or both and we are going to play catchup with the top 4 imho. I expect to beat Gold Coast comfortably....
I can't see our next win at the minute.  We can't run out games.  Next week against the Suns at marvel is no guarantee.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 10 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #71
Hmmmm tagging, or scragging, or free kick every day of the week?  Time to show this to the umpires' department.....


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Re: AFL Rd 10 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #73
Swans would argue Heeney/Warner were being held most of the time as well and I think this is why umps dont bother calling these frees...
Agree, I think the holding and blocking at stoppages happens on both sides, it has to be very bad to be paid. What I won't cop is the over the shoulder and head high contact of fwds, Harry and Charlie copped quite a few and didn't get one free. Not that it would have made a difference to the shellacking we copped, just saying.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 10 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #74
Agree, I think the holding and blocking at stoppages happens on both sides, it has to be very bad to be paid. 
What happens to Walsh and Cripps is horrendous, our taggers barely make contact by comparison, our blokes are disadvantaged because we aren't being coached to go outside the rules.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"