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Re: AFL Rd 12 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #135 –
Carroll was playing inside the contest but his opponent ran off him all day and when the bullants won the contest they were damaging.

He was playing like cripps without the ability to win the midfield battle.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 12 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #136 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Carroll got 32 touches today
Billy Wilson got 24 today
Binns got 21 and a goal today
Durdin got 15 and a goal

All are younger and have performed to the same level as Fantasia (or better)

Carroll had 2 tackles in 19% TOG on Thursday and backed it up today
Fantasia had 2 tackles in 55% TOG on Thursday

Did you watch the game stats man? Clearly not.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 12 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #137 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Carroll got 32 touches today
Billy Wilson got 24 today
Binns got 21 and a goal today
Durdin got 15 and a goal

All are younger and have performed to the same level as Fantasia (or better)

Carroll had 2 tackles in 19% TOG on Thursday and backed it up today
Fantasia had 2 tackles in 55% TOG on Thursday

Did you watch the game?

Carroll was OK but his opponent touched him up.  No-one else is putting their hand up for a game so Carroll probably stays in the 23.

Binns is probably most able to do the role Fantasia is currently doing.  He has the tank for it but he hasn’t yet developed a defensive side to his game, is too easily brushed aside, and his disposal could be better.

Wilson shows promise but he’s a small defender who needs time to develop and would be exploited at AFL level.

Durdin got a bit of the ball today but not nearly as much as he should have.  A disappointing, poor effort from a bloke who should be fighting for a spot in our AFL team.

Fantasia is safe … for now.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: AFL Rd 12 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #138 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
Did you watch the game stats man? Clearly not.

LOL....seems a few people missed the irony.

You posted stat's....and nothing else.
So did I.

As you and others pointed out, stat's don't tell the whole picture....which was my point.
Fantasia simply doesn't do enough. So he got some more stat's, doesn't change the fact he does that do enough.

For the record, I watched half the vfl game today.

I find it difficult doing comparisons between vfl and afl since vfl is played in howling wind on a second rate surface with second rate umpires and second rate teamates and the afl is played in near perfect conditions on near perfect grounds....

Give some of the kids a chance to play in afl conditions and their output will magically improve.

Re: AFL Rd 12 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #139 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Give some of the kids a chance to play in afl conditions and their output will magically improve.

Give our kids a game in the AFL before they’re ready and we’ll probably throw the game and set their careers back.  We didn’t see much magical improvement from Samo, LOB, Polson, and Dow!

Of course, the MC doesn’t just go on key match day indicators but takes into account what happens at training … and while we don’t know how Fantasia is going versus Durdin, etc, team selection gives us a fair idea.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: AFL Rd 12 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #140 –
You know, I'm not against anyone getting a game anywhere at any time, but in the VFL the bullants vs the blues was the equivalent of West Coast or the current Richmond seniors vs North Melbourne.  Both teams have 1 win for the year.

The AFL listed players (all of them) were borderline competitive at this level and guys like Cahill, Ramshaw, Jean-Luc Vellissaris, McMahon were the ones who were the better of the lot playing. 

Carroll the only one truly knocking on the door and even he wasnt above the standard.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 12 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #141 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
You know, I'm not against anyone getting a game anywhere at any time, but in the VFL the bullants vs the blues was the equivalent of West Coast or the current Richmond seniors vs North Melbourne.  Both teams have 1 win for the year.

The AFL listed players (all of them) were borderline competitive at this level and guys like Cahill, Ramshaw, Jean-Luc Vellissaris, McMahon were the ones who were the better of the lot playing. 

Carroll the only one truly knocking on the door and even he wasnt above the standard.
Reality is the Bullants are very ordinary but they still had more standout players imho.
eg The big kid Elliott , son of Matthew the cricketer is clearly AFL bound and looks to have more potential than Lemmey, McMahon etc. I thought our VFL players were better than the AFL players with the exception of Carroll who played wide of his opponents and got plenty of ball but for some reason I remain 50/50 on his future as a senior player.

Re: AFL Rd 12 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #142 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Reality is the Bullants are very ordinary but they still had more standout players imho.
eg The big kid Elliott , son of Matthew the cricketer is clearly AFL bound and looks to have more potential than Lemmey, McMahon etc. I thought our VFL players were better than the AFL players with the exception of Carroll who played wide of his opponents and got plenty of ball but for some reason I remain 50/50 on his future as a senior player.

Carroll has to perform like that in every VFL game he plays and has to show more when he's in the AFL squad.  It can't be easy coming on as the sub but, if that's his lot, he has to make the most of it.

It's hard to know what to make of our VFL side and the AFL listed players running around in it.  I suspect that it's lacking too much talent and experience and those blokes with a bit of ability are being overwhelmed.  I've said it before but I would have loved to see Ed Curnow as captain of our VFL side, even if for just one season.

Anyway, this is a discussion for a VFL thread.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: AFL Rd 12 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #143 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Reality is the Bullants are very ordinary but they still had more standout players imho.
eg The big kid Elliott , son of Matthew the cricketer is clearly AFL bound and looks to have more potential than Lemmey, McMahon etc. I thought our VFL players were better than the AFL players with the exception of Carroll who played wide of his opponents and got plenty of ball but for some reason I remain 50/50 on his future as a senior player.
Jorgensen was very impressive, as was Cahill and Ramshaw too.  Lemmey wasnt terrible, but again, given the quality of opponent should have been well on top.  Mirkov would be the only one who could potentially give us something at AFL level because he is an awkward size and shape, but I would rather see him against a mason cox than anyone else in the AFL.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 12 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #144 –
The likes of Lemmy is well into his second second season and shown 7/8ths of F-all.  Others like Cowan and Cinch have come on a lot, but I get the feeling that their improvement has no come via time in the twos
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: AFL Rd 12 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #145 –
Coaches' votes :

9 Sam Walsh (CARL)
7 Patrick Cripps (CARL)
6 Jason Horne-Francis (PORT)
6 Tom De Koning (CARL)
1 Aliir Aliir (PORT)
1 Nicholas Newman (CARL)

Re: AFL Rd 12 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #146 –
Not sure if this was discussed but

https://bit.ly/4bZFMPl

The bloke can coach
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 12 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #147 –
Yeah I saw it yesterday. Masterful coaching.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 12 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #148 –
Smart coaching by vossy.

However....I'd like to see this kind of 'genius' against a team he didnt spend 7 years at coaching previously.

Vossy has been picked apart a couple times this year by tactics and it's good he got one back, but perhaps he knew how they'd play because he was one of the people who set it up while he was there.

Re: AFL Rd 12 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #149 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Vossy has been picked apart a couple times this year by tactics and it's good he got one back, but perhaps he knew how they'd play because he was one of the people who set it up while he was there.
It's a bit subjective to assert the blame for some events are coaching, we might think that is the case but we can't be sure, it's quite possibly some cases were a players failure to follow or execute instructions.

All we can say is "if" the tactics were the result of coaching that would / might be a coaching fail.

Last Thursday a lot of us rated the team an "A", I did as well, but I also stated in another thread I thought it was a poor night for both coaches. Neither coach seemed to react well to the opposition tactics, but was the perceived response poor performance or was it deliberately keeping some powder dry for later in the season?

Team tactics are a bit like a Trojan Horse, you don't want to open the lid too early.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"