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Re: VFL 2024 Rd 11 Carlton vs Essendon at Essendon

Reply #75 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Which is smart recruiting.......until you see the position he plays and that its not a position of need at all.

With our draft capital in this years draft largely going to be taken up by the campo twins, it makes you wonder when we will get some kind of tall timber onto the list. Only been asking for it for about over half a decade now...
So long as we get some talls in the next couple of seasons the timing should be fine.

The bulldogs have a bit of an embarrassment of riches down forward and whilst I can fathom more talls equals better trade deals the ability to keep them all happy and playing can be a problem. 
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: VFL 2024 Rd 11 Carlton vs Essendon at Essendon

Reply #76 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
I thought the mid season draft is about picking players up for the now and given our injury list, we could have did a lot better than a boy who is tired. Thats a fail for mine, especially if we get another injury or two.

No, Agresta made it very clear that our MSD pick would be a long term prospect.

It’s interesting that Lord was ‘sore’ after one week of AFL level training, particularly since we wouldn’t be working our butts off at this stage of the season. 

Learnings from that:  Our AFL-listed players should dominate when they play VFL.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!
 

Re: VFL 2024 Rd 11 Carlton vs Essendon at Essendon

Reply #77 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
So long as we get some talls in the next couple of seasons the timing should be fine.

The bulldogs have a bit of an embarrassment of riches down forward and whilst I can fathom more talls equals better trade deals the ability to keep them all happy and playing can be a problem.

If you do a comparison, we have slightly more talls than some teams and slightly less than some other teams.  Where we are in better shape than many is that we have injury cover talls and developing talls and no real angst from talls who think they should be getting games.

We should definitely be looking to refresh our talls at the end of the season given that Mirkov and Akuei probably won’t work out.  Of course, we will get Silvagni back and Duffy should take up his rookie spot but another developing tall and a mature injury cover tall would be good.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: VFL 2024 Rd 11 Carlton vs Essendon at Essendon

Reply #78 –
Quote from: Professer E – on
Reminds me of Robbie Warnock.
Warnock generally played his best footy in September. He was lucky enough to play when we were playing finals in our 20 years of dark days.

Re: VFL 2024 Rd 11 Carlton vs Essendon at Essendon

Reply #79 –
Mirkov is miles off, he's not even in the debate at this stage, if Pitto isn't an AFL in after the bye, Mirkov might not even be playing VFL!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: VFL 2024 Rd 11 Carlton vs Essendon at Essendon

Reply #80 –
An important distinction LP.  Not many afl quality rucks are going to be happy plodding around the vfl, and even less of them are going to be happy being no 2 in the vfl which might see akuei or mirkov get another 12 months in the role.  All depends on the youngsters keefe and lemmey.   I don't think lemmey is a ruck.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: VFL 2024 Rd 11 Carlton vs Essendon at Essendon

Reply #81 –
I watched Collingwood  v Melbourne and it is interesting that Collingwood key forwards were Frampton and Kreuger. Both of these guys have been around for a long time. I am not much of a rap for Frampton but he is a Premiership player. Big guys often take a long time to develop and if you don't invest in people you will never get a return. I am not sure about Mirkov and maybe injury and illness has affected his development, only those at the Club will know. Akuei is a project player and he is on the Rookie B list so he is not clogging the list. He runs, jumps, kicks, contest and can mark, but whether he can play football is another question.

Re: VFL 2024 Rd 11 Carlton vs Essendon at Essendon

Reply #82 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
Was the lawn bowls always next to windy Hill?

i seem to remember they used to carry a fair bit of weight.  CheatsFC couldnt do anything without the Bowls Club ticking it off - some weird thing in their constitution/lease agreement that the Bowls Club and the Footy Club were equal tenants of the whole joint.   It was one of the reasons the footy club moved out

Re: VFL 2024 Rd 11 Carlton vs Essendon at Essendon

Reply #83 –
Quote from: Milhanna13 – on
i seem to remember they used to carry a fair bit of weight.  CheatsFC couldnt do anything without the Bowls Club ticking it off - some weird thing in their constitution/lease agreement that the Bowls Club and the Footy Club were equal tenants of the whole joint.  It was one of the reasons the footy club moved out
Yes, I think you are correct.

Was Diesel somehow involved in some of the controversy back when he lived overlooking the ground?
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: VFL 2024 Rd 11 Carlton vs Essendon at Essendon

Reply #84 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
An important distinction LP.  Not many afl quality rucks are going to be happy plodding around the vfl, and even less of them are going to be happy being no 2 in the vfl which might see akuei or mirkov get another 12 months in the role.  All depends on the youngsters keefe and lemmey.   I don't think lemmey is a ruck.

Akuei isn't taking up a list spot so to speak, but he is taking the spot of a player who could be learning the same role who may actually have a hope of fulfilling it at AFL level, because he doesn't look likely.

Re: VFL 2024 Rd 11 Carlton vs Essendon at Essendon

Reply #85 –
Quote from: DJC – on
If you do a comparison, we have slightly more talls than some teams and slightly less than some other teams.  Where we are in better shape than many is that we have injury cover talls and developing talls and no real angst from talls who think they should be getting games.

2 points on the above.

1. It should not be underestimated the ability to keep 2nd fiddle players happy being on your list despite not playing AFL footy. Anyone with too much talent usually finds a team that needs them.

2. I disagree about our 'talent' in covering injuries. Lewis Young has all the attributes to be a standout player in the AFL, yet isn't. Call it a lack of confidence, a lack of heart, i don't know, but he is a break glass in case of emergency player rather than a capable AFL player. Then we've got Durdin. We've had emergencies and we still haven't got that desperate to play him. He is the size/shape that should be holding down FB/CHB for us but is kicking the dew off the grass in the 'burbs instead. He has played 4 games since 2019....and 3 of them were for North during 2020. Throw in Akuei who is a monty to be delisted IMO and who are we left with? An undersized Marchbank who is about 50-50 at best to be on our list next year and thats about it.

There exists a very real scenario in which 3 of those 4 are not on our list next year. The only thing that saves young is we gave him a long contract until the end of 2026.

Re: VFL 2024 Rd 11 Carlton vs Essendon at Essendon

Reply #86 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Akuei isn't taking up a list spot so to speak, but he is taking the spot of a player who could be learning the same role who may actually have a hope of fulfilling it at AFL level, because he doesn't look likely.
Not saying whether we should or shouldn't, but can Mirkov be moved into the Cat B position to give us one more year to look at Lemmey and O'Keefe?

At this stage I can't see Akuei making it, hope he proves me wrong, and we have only Pitto and TDK as viable ruck options and I think we need one of O'Keefe, Lemmey or Mirkov to step up.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: VFL 2024 Rd 11 Carlton vs Essendon at Essendon

Reply #87 –
Quote from: LP – on
Not saying whether we should or shouldn't, but can Mirkov be moved into the Cat B position to give us one more year to look at Lemmey and O'Keefe?

At this stage I can't see Akuei making it, hope he proves me wrong, and we have only Pitto and TDK as viable ruck options and I think we need one of O'Keefe, Lemmey or Mirkov to step up.

We picked Mirkov up from the VFL which basically makes him ineligible for Cat b rookie status right there. So no.

He needs to have not played footy at a high level prior to drafting.

Re: VFL 2024 Rd 11 Carlton vs Essendon at Essendon

Reply #88 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
We picked Mirkov up from the VFL which basically makes him ineligible for Cat b rookie status right there. So no.

He needs to have not played footy at a high level prior to drafting.
Fair enough, if there was some loophole or appeals process it would be worth a crack.

As an aside I've heard we have an eye on yet another basketballer, apparently some kid who played footy into his teens then switched to basketball after a growth spurt, but I don't have any details yet. Probably should have posted that in Navy Andrew.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: VFL 2024 Rd 11 Carlton vs Essendon at Essendon

Reply #89 –
Akuei might get another year on the back of Mac Andrew having a break out year for Gold Coast and being seen as similar type of player and just needing perseverance and more responsibility like Andrew has been given.