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VFL 2024 Rd 14: Carlton vs Richmond at Richmond

Set down for Sunday at 12:00 at Richmond's little ground.
They're 10th and we're 21st, so we have to go into the game as underdogs.
Not sure what we mere supporters can do for us: we've shown so little this season.
Live Long and Prosper!

Re: VFL 2024 Rd 14: Carlton vs Richmond at Richmond

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Our line-up:

B:  [38] Sam Durdin,  [22] Caleb Marchbank,  [33] Lewis Young
HB:  [74] Logan Prout,  [41] Domanic Akuei,  [55] Lachlan Young
C:  [54] Ned Cahill,  [25] Jaxon Binns,  [28] David Cuningham
HF:  [43] Ashton Moir,  [34] Rob Monahan,  [3] Jesse Motlop
F:  [19] Corey Durdin,  [31] Harry Lemmey,  [45] Alex Mirkov
R:  [27] Marc Pittonet,  [36] Cooper Lord,  [16] Jack Carroll
Int:  [51] Heath Ramshaw,  [50] Zavier Maher,  [52] Liam McMahon,  [77] Will White,  [70] Darcy Hogg,  [64] Archie Stevens,  [62] Hayden Gill
Em:  [66] Luca Goonan,  [58] Michael Lewis,  [63] Kristian Ferronato,  [57] Luke Nelson,  [69] Hugo Nosiara

To be honest, I'm not sure that the number of AFL listed players is helping us. Too many of them aren't doing much. Monahan looks like he has a future, but he gets maybe 5 - 10 possessions per game at the moment and none when it counts. Akuei is not doing a lot. Mirkov continues to offer very little other than his taps. Lemmey is not getting much pill and neither is Moir. That's a lot of a team to be carrying.
But then, few of our VFL boys stand up when it is counted. Lachie Young isn't a bad player, but he goes missing when he's needed. The others are not mature bodies: we have very few of those.
And, we lack leadership very badly.
Live Long and Prosper!

Re: VFL 2024 Rd 14: Carlton vs Richmond at Richmond

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Down 14 to 19 at QT

Who slipped Aliir Aliir into Dom Akuei's jumper?  He looks a footballer for the first time ever. 

No idea from the team about the last kick inside 50, intercepted time after time.  Cooper Lord busy looks an industrious footballer but I think he lacks hurt factor.  Should be a valuable 2nds player but I don't she firsts potential except maybe as a two-way player who brings lots of defensive pressure.  And that is a type of player we could do with.  Those 2 have been our best I think along with Cunners who is easing back into it nicely and Binns who is always busy but again his possessions don't hurt the opposition much.  The 2 Durdins doing OK but neither screaming "pick me pick me" for the seniors.  Logan Prout probably the  pick of the VFL boys.  Meanwhile Moir was I think touchless and Monahan only the 1 disposal.

Mirkov dominating the hitouts 11 (plus Akuei has 2) to Richmond stotal of 4.

At this atage only Cunners maybe pressing a case for elevation.

Re: VFL 2024 Rd 14: Carlton vs Richmond at Richmond

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Wet Q2 the Tigers handled better.  Goalless quarter for us down 16-35 at half time.  With the weather and Tigers running the ball in more Akuei's intercept opportunities dried up, but he is still one of our better players.  Big Durds stood up in defence, Lord Binns and Cunners also handy, Cunners more class than quality.

Re: VFL 2024 Rd 14: Carlton vs Richmond at Richmond

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Down 2 goals at 3QT 43-55.



Cooper Lord continuing to be very busy, may be our best.  Binns busy as usual.  Big Durds holding strong in defence.  Jack Carroll started getting busy in Q3.  No-one really putting their hand up for seniors, Cunners looks to still need some more miles in the legs before being ready for consideration.  Game still in the balance.

Re: VFL 2024 Rd 14: Carlton vs Richmond at Richmond

Reply #5 –
Quote from: blueianh – on
Cooper Lord continuing to be very busy, may be our best. 
Looks OK around stoppages, but not as much pace as I thought.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: VFL 2024 Rd 14: Carlton vs Richmond at Richmond

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Lord is a handy type but like Binns a lightly built player who needs more size to play senior footy but he can find the footy which is important.
Carroll and McMahon to me are the standouts in this team, more class and composure than the others and more senior ready if in McMahons case he ever gets drafted.
Mirkov again won his fair share of hitouts but I wasnt impressed....
Sam Durdin was well beaten by a young kid called Gray and Lewis Young looks disinterested. Marchbank unsighted and Cuningham showed glimpses of form but faded. Moir kicked a goal but was unsighted otherwise.
Lemmey later and Akuei early showed some good form but dont play four quarters...

Re: VFL 2024 Rd 14: Carlton vs Richmond at Richmond

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Bearing in mind that Cooper is a baby in our system, the signs are good. A strong preseason and who knows... important thing is, the potential is there.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: VFL 2024 Rd 14: Carlton vs Richmond at Richmond

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Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Lord is a handy type but like Binns a lightly built player who needs more size to play senior footy but he can find the footy which is important.
Carroll and McMahon to me are the standouts in this team, more class and composure than the others and more senior ready if in McMahons case he ever gets drafted.
Mirkov again won his fair share of hitouts but I wasnt impressed....
Sam Durdin was well beaten by a young kid called Gray and Lewis Young looks disinterested. Marchbank unsighted and Cuningham showed glimpses of form but faded. Moir kicked a goal but was unsighted otherwise.
Lemmey later and Akuei early showed some good form but dont play four quarters...

Like McMahon generally speaking but didn't think he showed out particularly this week.  Couple of goals, only 11 disposals and 3 marks but in fairness the conditions weren't suited to big guys and he didn't get many decent looks at it.

More generally, they ran over us in the end a 6 goal loss.  On the positive side Akuei early and Lemmey late looked bona fide AFL players.  Probably too late for Dom, sadly, but early days for Harry and I wouldn't be writing him off. 

Cooper Lord was very busy and I like his 2 way running.  Not sure about his hurt factor, but love his inside and defensive work.  Should be very valuable at 2nds level and may bring a point of difference in the firsts with his defensive side.  Early days but worth keeping an eye on.  Not in firsts discussions yet I would have thought. 

Carroll and Lemmey came home with a wet sail and showed AFL traits but the former might struggle to oust any incumbent in his role and the latter still a ways off ready but if replicates that sort of performance he puts himself in the frame either as a forward relief ruckman or if either of Charlie or Harry become unavailable.  Binns again very busy and keeps pressing his case for a shot in the firsts.  Mirkov dominated the taps as you would expect but nowhere near pressing his case for retention on the list much less elevation for a senior game.  Cunners was good on limited (and I presume managed) minutes but not ready to elevate yet.  Other than that big Durds was serviceable and could come in at a pinch but again he isn't outing anyone at the moment.  Youngs stats read OK but he was pretty ordinary to my mind, likewise Marchbank is not showing much reason to consider rushing him back.  We know however he is a highly regarded player internally.  Little Durds looks to have done the shoulder again and 4 disposal games from Monahan and Moir speak for themselves.  I think that is all our senior/rookie listed guys.  As for the VFL listed and top-up guys Prout and Ferronato were the standout to my eye.



All in all no-one demanding a spot in the firsts but a few who could step in to cover injury/suspension/workload management issues that might arise.

Re: VFL 2024 Rd 14: Carlton vs Richmond at Richmond

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We were very top heavy. Cuningham half a game, Motlop not at all and Wilson out really limited our run. Liked Lemmey and like it when Akuei is on the ball. They should try playing him on the wing. Winning the Reserves has never been the priority at Carlton it has always been about developing players for the firsts. I don't think there is much future in Big Durdin. Pretty disappointing end result but I would rather win by 10 goals in the AFL than win by six in the VFL.

Re: VFL 2024 Rd 14: Carlton vs Richmond at Richmond

Reply #10 –
Quote from: Blue Moon – on
We were very top heavy. Cuningham half a game, Motlop not at all and Wilson out really limited our run. Liked Lemmey and like it when Akuei is on the ball. They should try playing him on the wing. Winning the Reserves has never been the priority at Carlton it has always been about developing players for the firsts. I don't think there is much future in Big Durdin. Pretty disappointing end result but I would rather win by 10 goals in the AFL than win by six in the VFL.

I read what you’re saying but if not big durds, who covers if Weitering gets hit by a bus ?
No one IS Weiters replacement, but we need someone of a similar physical build to play in his position with help from others…
Let’s go BIG !

Re: VFL 2024 Rd 14: Carlton vs Richmond at Richmond

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Quote from: northernblue – on
I read what you’re saying but if not big durds, who covers if Weitering gets hit by a bus ?
No one IS Weiters replacement, but we need someone of a similar physical build to play in his position with help from others…
We need to recruit a player like Blight who played his first game today for Richmond and looked the part....they wont be Weitering in the short term but they can learn from him if we get that player sooner than later.
Sam Durdin is a good clubman but has his limitations as he showed today and doesnt have any upside. He had four kicked on him by a kid called Campbell Gray who was the Tigers second mid season rookie pick from Essendons VFL team and Id be letting Sam go at seasons end if we can get a younger State League CHB with size.

Re: VFL 2024 Rd 14: Carlton vs Richmond at Richmond

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We didn't have Weitering early in the year and Durdin didn't play. We have young and Marchbank playing down back so I would say it would be one of them. I am not having a go at Durdin but I think it is time to move on. I don't think he is going to get any better.

Re: VFL 2024 Rd 14: Carlton vs Richmond at Richmond

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Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
We need to recruit a player like Blight who played his first game today for Richmond and looked the part....they wont be Weitering in the short term but they can learn from him if we get that player sooner than later.
Sam Durdin is a good clubman but has his limitations as he showed today and doesnt have any upside. He had four kicked on him by a kid called Campbell Gray who was the Tigers second mid season rookie pick from Essendons VFL team and Id be letting Sam go at seasons end if we can get a younger State League CHB with size.
It's too early to go the crow on the viability of MSD candidates, they are newbies and in the short term they live in a honeymoon period until opponents have collected enough information on their habits.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: VFL 2024 Rd 14: Carlton vs Richmond at Richmond

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Quote from: LP – on
It's too early to go the crow on the viability of MSD candidates, they are newbies and in the short term they live in a honeymoon period until opponents have collected enough information on their habits.

Point is S Durdin isn't the answer and we should be looking for an apprentice for Weitering now. If he gets injured and we have nothing suitable to bring in as cover we can probably forget about winning a GF.Recruiting a player like Lord is ok but not a high priority Imho.